GENERIC HEADER NEWS MISSING PERSONS

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

Discussion in 'Trials' started by tlcya, Jul 29, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,346
    Likes Received:
    4,418
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But I didn't hear it, so it's hearsay to me. Just saying. It means nothing to me, but that's JMO.

    DICTIONARY
    Search for a word[​IMG]





    hear·say
    /ˈhirˌsā/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun
    1. information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
      "according to hearsay, Bob had managed to break his arm"
      synonyms: rumor, gossip, tittle-tattle, tattle, idle chatter, idle talk, mere talk, report;More
      • LAW
        the report of another person's words by a witness, which is usually disallowed as evidence in a court of law.
        "everything they had told him would have been ruled out as hearsay"

    Feedback
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2019
    almond and Cool Cats like this.
  2. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    11,206
    Likes Received:
    32,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's an interesting and plausible theory. I've had the impression all along that the prosecution has some significant evidence that they didn't want to reveal in these pre-trial hearings for FW and RN. Recordings of conversations? Something that bolsters the cases re collusion and pattern of corrupt activity?

    That said, its still possible there was something in the discovery the state received from FW's defense that helped bolster their case. I don't see AC making up a story like that when she could be called on it later. Would she?

    ETA: I do think RN will go to trial and probably be convicted on her forgery charges. State needs solid evidence for that and assume they have it.

    JMO
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2019
    Merrygirl, FrankieT, Dudly and 3 others like this.
  3. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    11,206
    Likes Received:
    32,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wagner family matriarch claims innocence as case is dismissed

    Video of FW interview in this story. She blames social media for making her seem guilty before she was proven innocent. Claims it was probably a cartel that killed the Rhoden family. She asked her attorney to comment on her behalf re possible future re-filing of charges. He declined due to the gag order.

    :rolleyes:

    JMO
     
  4. Caylee Advocate

    Caylee Advocate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,854
    Likes Received:
    4,731
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I don't know how she feels she was "proven innocent" as she was not.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2019
  5. Johnny B Bad

    Johnny B Bad Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    663
    Likes Received:
    2,923
    Trophy Points:
    93
    I love what Fredericka quoted to channel 19 news about the bulletproof vest!
    “I bought them after the crime. After the tragedy. Two weeks later and we proved that. I’ve had to prove my innocence twice,” Wagner said.
     
    FonescaFan, rootbeer and Betty P like this.
  6. bowler

    bowler Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    420
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Someone best keep close ear on her mouth anywhere she goes..... she wasn't found innocent... <modsnip - name-calling>
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 26, 2019
    Fletcher73, Ann99, Loomis124 and 3 others like this.
  7. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,346
    Likes Received:
    4,418
    Trophy Points:
    113
    IMO, yes, yes, and yes. IMO, FW was disappointed that she didnt get a dismissal WITH prejudice. She knows. The truth. All of it. And yes, isnt it interesting that Rita N has requested specific information about that search at FW's???
     
    Ann99, FrankieT, Puzzles8 and 2 others like this.
  8. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,346
    Likes Received:
    4,418
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So true. And notice in FWs court entries today, defense counsel is not allowed to give information to anyone who might tell it....including FW. She just lost Owen today. Congratulations. All My Opinion. JMO
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 26, 2019
  9. ColMustard

    ColMustard Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    391
    Likes Received:
    1,465
    Trophy Points:
    93


    AC said with the new info from discovery, they "are doing an investigation into, ... issuing subpoenas, getting back with information ... looking at IP addresses and devices and google searches, etc." "... in light of all that information there is a whole lot more to be gone though."

    That's the best I can hear that part of the hearing. From about 2:45 to 3:15 of the video. Sounds like the microphone has been out in the rain.

    Loomis? How did FW lose Owen today? Do you think he'll cut his losses?
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2019
    FonescaFan, Berrybell, Ann99 and 2 others like this.
  10. Johnny B Bad

    Johnny B Bad Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    663
    Likes Received:
    2,923
    Trophy Points:
    93
    But Canepa stressed that the state is still investigating the case and it could decide to refile the charges, based on that probe. She said the state’s cybercrimes and criminal intelligence units need additional time.

    Wagner’s attorney, James Owen, balked, telling Deering that he believes the dismissal is vindication and that it proves Wagner’s innocence. That prompted Canepa to snap, “We don’t agree with that.’’

    Wagner broke into a wide grin and hugged her daughter, Robin, and attorneys Owen and Charles Koenig after Deering dismissed the case. She smiled for cameras and walked out of the courtroom, the same one she entered seven months ago in handcuffs.

    “I’m a free woman!’’ Wagner said from her home after the hearing. “Trust in the Lord, with all your heart. He moved the mountain. I told you he would.’’

    Wagner was to go to trial July 29, though the case was riddled with problems for prosecutors almost from the start. The Plain Dealer first reported the issues in March. Prosecutors forged on with the case, despite well-known issues.
    This was in Cleveland.Com
     
    sunshineray, Niner, Berrybell and 2 others like this.
  11. Seattle85

    Seattle85 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    531
    Trophy Points:
    83
    If true this evidence is against the W4 and its substantial.
     
  12. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    11,206
    Likes Received:
    32,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here is your link

    Charges dismissed against Fredericka Wagner in Pike County massacre case

    Yes, the Plain Dealer almost sounds like they want the other defendants to get out of jail, too. What an odd newspaper. They've always been terrible. JMO
     
  13. Puzzles8

    Puzzles8 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    641
    Likes Received:
    3,819
    Trophy Points:
    93
    And..........cue lightning strike
     
  14. Howcanppldosuch

    Howcanppldosuch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    168
    Likes Received:
    896
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Innocent until proven guilty is the American standard.
     
    Fletcher73 and Cool Cats like this.
  15. Howcanppldosuch

    Howcanppldosuch Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    168
    Likes Received:
    896
    Trophy Points:
    93
    FWs attorney moved for dismissal earlier, AC argued the issue wasn’t ripe. She must have still thought she could save the case then. Dismissing the charges now seems to me that they knew they had a weak case. If it is true the date the vests were bought they wouldn’t have been material to the case and making the hindering and perjury moot. I believe this was a pressure tactic period by the state. Or very clumsy detective work in that they didn’t even know when the vests were bought. My opinion only and from an out of state detachment perspective
     
    Dudly, Betty P, Myland and 1 other person like this.
  16. Fletcher73

    Fletcher73 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    689
    Trophy Points:
    93
    jmo/moo I'm speculating that is was to establish that JW was a controlling/dominating personality; that it was his idea or obsession to convince her to get pregnant; that control of the underage HMR and her child was a long-term obsession since her birth.

    Rape is about power, not sex, and "unlawful sexual contact" or sexual assault is what we use to call rape (statutory rape for underage) - though young people think it's 'love' and have a right to it. jmo/moo

    Dewine did state in MSM that this case was about bizarre obsession and control of children: Rhoden Family Massacre: Custody Battle Led to Murder of Entire Ohio Family, Cops Say
     
  17. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats COLUMBO "One more thing" MONK "A jungle out there"

    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    8,668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Del...Glitch...pasted multiple copies...will have to repost..
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2019
    Dudly likes this.
  18. Dudly

    Dudly Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,285
    Likes Received:
    7,653
    Trophy Points:
    113
    RW didn't look too thrilled with the smooches she got from FW. AC definitely made sure it was known that future charges are likely. It will be interesting how this all payot eventually. FW thinks she won the war but she didn't even win a skirmish yet. AC is waiting for the new and better ammo to reengage... My Opinion Only...
     
  19. FrescaandSouthernComfort

    FrescaandSouthernComfort Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    157
    Likes Received:
    955
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Theatre....And all the world is FW's stage...For now...JMO
     
  20. Myland

    Myland Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    517
    Likes Received:
    1,841
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Jmo was James Manley’s charges dismissed with prejudice or without?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice