OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[rsd1200]

The most puzzling thing about all the MJ grow op allegations is that none of the victims had been arrested for selling MJ (or any illegal substance for that matter). How would they know CR1, GR or KR had been selling it? Just by the amount of MJ they allegedly found?

LE later said they determined the cars were not stolen and that the family wasn't involved in cockfighting. So how did they know they were selling MJ? And why was this such a sticking point with them? If they were killed due to some small time MJ deal gone wrong, they should have arrested the killers by now. When the state was already working hard to legalize MJ and got a law passed soon after the murders, why were they so outraged at the murder victims for having a small to moderate sized grow op?

And why didn't they show at least some evidence of this grow op, as they do routinely with similar cases?

I don't think it's a big sticking point with them. I think the press pushed until they got it out there. I think that KR2 was honest about her father's and her uncle's and cousin's, extent of fooling with it, so as to prove, they were not the big time dealers that the family felt that folks in the community, thought they were, when the bomb got dropped about the grows, at the press conference.

I think he grew it, and then probably sold it in bulk. Five pounds to this guy, a pound to that guy, etc... They probably grew it, had folks they dealt with regular, ready to buy, and got rid of it pretty quick. If you have over about three - five plants, chances are, you are selling a bit. Especially if you don't partake yourself. From what family has said, neither KR or CR1 smoked weed. I'm not so sure that would be true about GR though.

If someone is smart about it, they can stick with weed, not fool with anything else, and pretty much fly under the radar, and if they had a cop friend it's even better. Most don't but some in small communities have cops who may not take pay offs, but, it's weed, so the look the other way. They've got Fentanyl, Heroin, and Meth, to get off the streets, and weed doesn't kill anyone.

 

[rsd1200]

I think we can say that the targets, maybe the targets, were CRsr, CRjr, and HR. When reading the results, the "serous" cavities of all the other victims, except for these 3, had no fluid in this area. The 2 CR's had that whole area almost all blocked out. This sort of points to fluid and damage. HR had 300 ml "serosanguineous fluid" in the right hemithorax and 200 ml in the left. She also had a "foam cap" at the lips. Perhaps from the upper body trauma?

I'll drop all this, but, when you look at the stomach contents, it's like they all had some amount (50 - 500 ml) of a tan/orange tan/green tan liquid/fluid in their stomachs. No mention of any food, except in DR, but, it was just 50 ml with some white food "fragments". HG had 400 ml of "tan granular fluid".

HR - - - 200 ml of _________*
CRjr.- - - 100 ml of _________ *
CRsr.- - - 100 ml orange/tan fluid
FR - - - 500 ml of _________*
DR - - - 50 ml of tan fluid w/white food fragments
HG - - - 400 ml of tan granular fluid
GR - - - 250 ml of green/tan fluid
KR - - - 50 ml of light tan fluid

* That's how the autopsy results had it. Maybe they ID'd it because it was obvious?

Seems they all had a drink before bed.

I'm pretty sure someone on here mentioned that perhaps a relative or close friend visited under the ruse of visiting and talking/having a drink or a shot with them. (Not to be confused with BEING shot).
For KR - there's approx. 50 ml to a shot of liquor. Maybe a shot of Jack with a "friend".

500 ml is about 16 oz. 2 Cups A pint.
250 ml is about a cup. 1/2 pint.
50 ml is a shot glass/jigger.

Just weird.

I had noticed the stomach contents, and, where DR worked late, thought she may have gotten a snack at work before she went home.

Do you know how long it takes for foods to turn to liquid in the stomach? I'd thought maybe their last meal had pretty much digested and they'd gone to bed. Especially the nursing mothers. I'd guess a pop would be more likely for them.

HMR, HHG, FR, and KR, were all found in their beds. KR was shot once, through the eye (I have a link but I'd have to dig). I think that FR, according to BJM's description, was also shot in the eye, but do not know the total # of shots that he suffered.


CR2 was shot at least once
FR was shot at least once
HMR was shot at least once
CR1 was shot nine times
HHG was shot five times
DR was shot five times
GR was shot three times
KR was shot one time
So that's 26 shots out of a total of 32 sustained. We don't know the total shots sustained by HR, CR2, or FR, but there's six shots left. With the exception of CR1, it looks as if the females took the brunt of the shots. I've often wondered if a female was involved in this. It wouldn't surprise me if HMR sustained at least four of the remaining shots. I've wondered too if this was about the core R family (which included FR's fiance). GR was just at the wrong place, and KR either unwittingly helped, or he'd just know, so he had to go too.

Also, if you'll notice in the autopsy, the tongue has been blacked out. I've a theory that this is b/c the assailant(s) put the firearm into those victims' mouths. I'd read that if that was the case, the victim would automatically raise their tongue, and the bullet would pierce the tongue.

 

[Nickandnora]

I had noticed the stomach contents, and, where DR worked late, thought she may have gotten a snack at work before she went home.

Do you know how long it takes for foods to turn to liquid in the stomach? I'd thought maybe their last meal had pretty much digested and they'd gone to bed. Especially the nursing mothers. I'd guess a pop would be more likely for them.

HMR, HHG, FR, and KR, were all found in their beds. KR was shot once, through the eye (I have a link but I'd have to dig). I think that FR, according to BJM's description, was also shot in the eye, but do not know the total # of shots that he suffered.


CR2 was shot at least once
FR was shot at least once
HMR was shot at least once
CR1 was shot nine times
HHG was shot five times
DR was shot five times
GR was shot three times
KR was shot one time
So that's 26 shots out of a total of 32 sustained. We don't know the total shots sustained by HR, CR2, or FR, but there's six shots left. With the exception of CR1, it looks as if the females took the brunt of the shots. I've often wondered if a female was involved in this. It wouldn't surprise me if HMR sustained at least four of the remaining shots. I've wondered too if this was about the core R family (which included FR's fiance). GR was just at the wrong place, and KR either unwittingly helped, or he'd just know, so he had to go too.

Also, if you'll notice in the autopsy, the tongue has been blacked out. I've a theory that this is b/c the assailant(s) put the firearm into those victims' mouths. I'd read that if that was the case, the victim would automatically raise their tongue, and the bullet would pierce the tongue.

I count it as 23 shots,some time back I read HMR had 3 shot

 

[rsd1200]

I count it as 23 shots,some time back I read HMR had 3 shot

Thanks!

Update on # Shots Suffered per Victim

FR was shot at least once
CR2 was shot at least once
CR1 was shot nine times
HHG was shot five times
DR was shot five times
HMR was shot three times
GR was shot three times
KR was shot one time
So that's at minimum, 28 shots, out of a total of 32 sustained.

We don't know the total shots sustained by CR2, or FR, but there's four shots left.

 

[Dudly]

I am just going to jump in here with some thoughts I have.

I am curious if anyone was selling marijuana for an extended period of time, how would this be known as FACT if they were never arrested and caught red handed. That just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. AND its really not very polite considering the person is now deceased and not able to confirm or deny such a claim.

Pike County is big land wise, the country is poor in comparison to some I suppose.
It appears the R's were a big extended family and there certainly has not been any shortage of "possible" reasons someone would want to do away with one or two family members.
I must clarify, I am not OK with anyone killing anyone, it's just not right.

The way LE has treated some of the remaining family leaves me scratching my head!

I believe LM don't come out and talk anymore, as well as the rest of the family, is he 1) fears for his and other family members lives and 2) deep down I think he feels justice will not be served.

Random question: would the cartel (if guilty) come back and take more lives?

8 people, 4 homes dead. I would bet a dollar against a doughnut some of the deceased had no clue WHY they were being killed. I am of the belief someone had a reason say to kill a couple folks, the rest were killed because they would be able to identify the killers. My thinking, that alone says no cartel. This whole thing has got more twists and turns and players that even those of us who have been here since day one can't remember them all!

I think to give this a swift kick in the pants for justice, we need someone from out of the area, not afraid, with the ability and the knowledge and muscle to take on whomever to get it done. Investigation Discovery maybe, something like that!

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I contacted Investigation Discovery, Date Line, 20/20 and several others. Never got a response from any of them. This is what I sent them:

In April of 2016, eight members of the Rhoden family from southeast Ohio were murdered one night. Three children, age five days to three years, were at two of the four homes the murders occurred but were uninjured. Two were in bed with their parents when the murders occurred.
Law enforcement has never released any information about the case to the public. In fact,
law enforcement actually confiscated the mobile homes where the murders took place and
put them in storage. There was a court order to seal the evidence and a court order to seal
THAT court order. The ONLY thing ever released was heavily redacted autopsies of the victims.
Why would they handle a case this way?

 

[Owl4]

I contacted Investigation Discovery, Date Line, 20/20 and several others. Never got a response from any of them. This is what I sent them:

In April of 2016, eight members of the Rhoden family from southeast Ohio were murdered one night. Three children, age five days to three years, were at two of the four homes the murders occurred but were uninjured. Two were in bed with their parents when the murders occurred.
Law enforcement has never released any information about the case to the public. In fact,
law enforcement actually confiscated the mobile homes where the murders took place and
put them in storage. There was a court order to seal the evidence and a court order to seal
THAT court order. The ONLY thing ever released was heavily redacted autopsies of the victims.
Why would they handle a case this way?

Excellent! With those shows you have to constantly keep sending emails. The more you hound and they keep hearing about this case I believe you will get some form of reply.

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[MyTinkieGirl]

I contacted Investigation Discovery, Date Line, 20/20 and several others. Never got a response from any of them. This is what I sent them:

In April of 2016, eight members of the Rhoden family from southeast Ohio were murdered one night. Three children, age five days to three years, were at two of the four homes the murders occurred but were uninjured. Two were in bed with their parents when the murders occurred.
Law enforcement has never released any information about the case to the public. In fact,
law enforcement actually confiscated the mobile homes where the murders took place and
put them in storage. There was a court order to seal the evidence and a court order to seal
THAT court order. The ONLY thing ever released was heavily redacted autopsies of the victims.
Why would they handle a case this way?

That's what I'm talking about. All this "sophisticated" carp being bantered around from the get go, THEN, they say follow the Wagners. Whaaaaa????
I know I keep going on about the stomach contents, but, looking at all the R's, I can almost guarantee not a one of them EVER went to sleep with or had an empty stomach at any one particular time. There's something odd with only liquid in all the stomachs, the timing of the murders and the whole "ambush" thing. I honestly think that's part of why LE were questioning BJM about it. Sorry. I have no problem believing, that, for any sum, BJM and the father would do what they felt they needed to do. Dad's a hot head loose cannon crazy person who has no problem threatening anyone if he doesn't get what he wants. ( Example: The son's vehicle being taken away in the first days and the threats dad made on camera.)
Digestion takes between 4 - 10 hrs depending on meal, what they ate, the amount of chewing before swallowed, the person, etc. Again, IMO, all those people (DR had fragments of white food) with empty stomachs and only liquid found. Did they get held hostage before. Did they get drugged. Did they get forced into bed.
Sophisticated and Wagners in the same sentence seems like an oxymoron to me. The thing that could have made it "sophisticated" could be taking any video info for that time.
Sadly, I don't think anyone will ever know what went on there.

 

[amauet1]

That's what I'm talking about. All this "sophisticated" carp being bantered around from the get go, THEN, they say follow the Wagners. Whaaaaa????
I know I keep going on about the stomach contents, but, looking at all the R's, I can almost guarantee not a one of them EVER went to sleep with or had an empty stomach at any one particular time. There's something odd with only liquid in all the stomachs, the timing of the murders and the whole "ambush" thing. I honestly think that's part of why LE were questioning BJM about it. Sorry. I have no problem believing, that, for any sum, BJM and the father would do what they felt they needed to do. Dad's a hot head loose cannon crazy person who has no problem threatening anyone if he doesn't get what he wants. ( Example: The son's vehicle being taken away in the first days and the threats dad made on camera.)
Digestion takes between 4 - 10 hrs depending on meal, what they ate, the amount of chewing before swallowed, the person, etc. Again, IMO, all those people (DR had fragments of white food) with empty stomachs and only liquid found. Did they get held hostage before. Did they get drugged. Did they get forced into bed.
Sophisticated and Wagners in the same sentence seems like an oxymoron to me. The thing that could have made it "sophisticated" could be taking any video info for that time.
Sadly, I don't think anyone will ever know what went on there.

Following your line of thought. I had "heard" there could have been some kind of "gathering" there that night. For what? I don't know. But from everything I've read, this family was really social. People dropping by, people spending the night not just on weekends, but during the week also. They (Rhodens/Gilley) didn't seem to have that much of a "set" schedule. If I'm following this right the people with the most fluid would have died first? That would be FR and HHG. According to articles, Chel Rob was there at the latest at 10:30pm, dropping off little B and visiting with someone she hadn't seen in awhile. In J Wags first article (before the time and days were changed) he said he had picked up little S at 10:30pm from HMR's. So there's 2 people who have said they were there that night. Some killers I've read hold your children hostage to get you to do what they want you to do. Could this have happened in this case.? Next with a smaller amount of fluid is HMR, GR, CRsr, and CRjr. Something about CRjr's gray tribulon being in his father's driveway, jacked up has always seemed staged to me. After that, KR and DR has the least fluid in their systems. Like they were up and had a chance to go to the bathroom. I don't know how the digestive system works on liquids/food in the chemical change that goes on in the body. I agree with rsd that some kind of pop was ingested by the younger generation (HMR, CRjr). HHG could have been instant hot chocolate (grandular), GR could have been mountain dew, DR and KR's light tan sounds like coffee to me, and CRsr's could have been dew or gatorade? And it seems that FR's was full of ? JMO
Aso it was said that BR1"s son JR had just got back in town that night and BR2 had just moved out of HHG's and FR's trailer about a week prior to the murders.

 

[Betty P]

Following your line of thought. I had "heard" there could have been some kind of "gathering" there that night. For what? I don't know. But from everything I've read, this family was really social. People dropping by, people spending the night not just on weekends, but during the week also. They (Rhodens/Gilley) didn't seem to have that much of a "set" schedule. If I'm following this right the people with the most fluid would have died first? That would be FR and HHG. According to articles, Chel Rob was there at the latest at 10:30pm, dropping off little B and visiting with someone she hadn't seen in awhile. In J Wags first article (before the time and days were changed) he said he had picked up little S at 10:30pm from HMR's. So there's 2 people who have said they were there that night. Some killers I've read hold your children hostage to get you to do what they want you to do. Could this have happened in this case.? Next with a smaller amount of fluid is HMR, GR, CRsr, and CRjr. Something about CRjr's gray tribulon being in his father's driveway, jacked up has always seemed staged to me. After that, KR and DR has the least fluid in their systems. Like they were up and had a chance to go to the bathroom. I don't know how the digestive system works on liquids/food in the chemical change that goes on in the body. I agree with rsd that some kind of pop was ingested by the younger generation (HMR, CRjr). HHG could have been instant hot chocolate (grandular), GR could have been mountain dew, DR and KR's light tan sounds like coffee to me, and CRsr's could have been dew or gatorade? And it seems that FR's was full of ? JMO
Aso it was said that BR1"s son JR had just got back in town that night and BR2 had just moved out of HHG's and FR's trailer about a week prior to the murders.

Keep in mind, with the exception of CR1 and GR, it was reported the others appeared to have been killed in their sleep. If there were any hostage taking, there would have been something to indicate otherwise.

I looked at some articles online

http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jdms/papers/Vol16-issue10/Version-10/G1610102635.pdf

liquids leave the stomach within 1-2 hours

food takes longer, depending on how large the meal and contents

a medium sized meal takes 4 to 6 hours, a large meal 6-8

Meat, green vegetables, etc cannot be recognized after 4 hours

From descriptions, it seems many may have nearly digested their earlier meal, but perhaps had something to drink later, like cola or something similar

Going to the bathroom would only affect the amount of urine in the bladder, not stomach contents

It's possible those with the most fluid in their stomach died sooner, but it may also be that they drank more soda, water, coffee etc. than others before going to bed.

ETA: I would also guess that many of the Rhodens, like the rest of us, liked to have a snack in the hours before going to be. Chips, popcorn, crackers, etc.

 

[Betty P]

I can not even explain or have a clue why I've gotten a bee in my bonnet over this case at this point in time. I've gone thru the posts - skimmed thru some pages, but, got the gist of the discussions. If I'm going thru stuff that's been discussed ad nauseam, please let me know.
My questions/comments mostly are to do with the autopsies and death certificates.
I haven't seen the actual certificates, but, have read what the time of death (TOD) was listed as. I'll assume this is when the bodies were found. Are the powers that be just yankin our chains? Everyone pretty much knows the TOD is an approximation taken by the body temperature.

One method of estimating the time of death is to measure body temperature. The normal equation for this is:
37.5oC - 1.5 oC
This formula equates to the body temperature (37.5oC), which loses 1.5 oC per hour until the temperature of the body is that of the environment around it; known as the ambient temperature. This ambient temperature - depending on how low it is - may take minutes or hours to be reached and this is a good indicator as to how long a body has been in situ. Additionally it is worth noting that a body's temperature will drop much more slowly if the body has been exposed to extreme cold; such as being left outdoors, submerged in water or icy conditions.

A rectal thermometer can be used for this, as well.

Otherwise, IMO, per the certificates, the order of the bodies being found appears to be when they called TOD. So, it appears that CRsr and GR were found first, at 8:07. Then 8:11 for FR and HG. Last, DR, et all, at 8:17. Or, this could also be an assumption by LE just by who lived where and how they assumed the order the murderers went.
BUT, whatever order isn't really what I'm talking about.
Again, please stop me if I've skimmed over this discussion prior.
Basically, my question is about yankin our chains and why in the heck would this be done? IMO, looks kinda incompetent, no?
I understand the whole protecting the case, etc. LE isn't bound to tell the public everything. Public records and transparency laws for giving the public info.
This post is covering just one of the things I find bizarre.

The TOD for all of the Rhodens was listed as the time they were found by LE. At the time that's all the coroner, Dr. David Kessler, knew about TOD. Actual TOD's were probably determined but not released to the public.

CR1 & Gary - 8:07 am
Frankie & Hannah G - 8:11 am
Dana, CR2 & Hanna R - 8:17 am
Kenneth - 1:49 pm



http://www.dispatch.com/news/20160527/death-certificates-in-pike-county-killings-reveal-new-details

 

[Betty P]

An old article, but one worth reviewing again

Rhoden murder reward announced - 10 weeks late 22 July 2016

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/21/official-10k-reward-offered-rhoden-case/87391848/

Ross County Sheriff's Deputy Dave Weber, who oversees the Southern Ohio Crime Stoppers fund, said there was a "miscommunication and a misunderstanding" about notifying the public about the reward.

"The reward was approved on May 10 but we didn't have approval to put it out there," Weber said. "We got a call from a TV station this week asking why there wasn't a reward in the case. I said that wasn't true."

But Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader said he was surprised to learn of the reward money Wednesday while watching a televised news report. He sent a member of his department to Ross County on Thursday to meet with Weber in order to understand how the miscommunication happened. He said he believes Weber's office might have been sending the information to the defunct email address of a former Pike County sheriff.

"It's not the job of the sheriff to seek out reward money,'' Reader said. "A reward was not on the top of my priority list" during the intense first days and weeks of the murder probe.

BBM

For those who try to argue that LE isn't pushing the reward because they don't want the killers to claim it. Really? Come on, police face that risk every time they issue a reward for information about a crime. The way that works is you don't give out the money until after the crime is solved and killers arrested.

Personally, I think they may have other reasons.

 

[amauet1]

Keep in mind, with the exception of CR1 and GR, it was reported the others appeared to have been killed in their sleep. If there were any hostage taking, there would have been something to indicate otherwise.

I looked at some articles online

http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jdms/papers/Vol16-issue10/Version-10/G1610102635.pdf

liquids leave the stomach within 1-2 hours

food takes longer, depending on how large the meal and contents

a medium sized meal takes 4 to 6 hours, a large meal 6-8

Meat, green vegetables, etc cannot be recognized after 4 hours

From descriptions, it seems many may have nearly digested their earlier meal, but perhaps had something to drink later, like cola or something similar

Going to the bathroom would only affect the amount of urine in the bladder, not stomach contents

It's possible those with the most fluid in their stomach died sooner, but it may also be that they drank more soda, water, coffee etc. than others before going to bed.

ETA: I would also guess that many of the Rhodens, like the rest of us, liked to have a snack in the hours before going to be. Chips, popcorn, crackers, etc.

And this is where I have trouble believing what "we" were told. It's obvious, from day one, if officials had their way we would know even less of the little we do know. I can't get over babies lying next to their mothers while the moms were shot. I just don't see it. I think that after one or two shots in any of those trailers, people would have woken up from the shots. Rhoden's Gilley had people showing up around their "compound" wanting to fight, had court appearances because of a violent act. Were know "fighters" in that community, badazz's if you will. Things being stolen from them and other neighbors. I just don't see them being asleep when all this started going down. With all the troubles that family was having and the business they were in, I assume they would be on some kind of alert. I believe that little B even though only 3 years old, saw something. He might not understand what he saw, but I believe he saw something.

I think they were "put to bed " like bad little boys and girls for some reason or made to lay there while they were shot.

 

[rsd1200]

I contacted Investigation Discovery, Date Line, 20/20 and several others. Never got a response from any of them. This is what I sent them:

In April of 2016, eight members of the Rhoden family from southeast Ohio were murdered one night. Three children, age five days to three years, were at two of the four homes the murders occurred but were uninjured. Two were in bed with their parents when the murders occurred.
Law enforcement has never released any information about the case to the public. In fact,
law enforcement actually confiscated the mobile homes where the murders took place and
put them in storage. There was a court order to seal the evidence and a court order to seal
THAT court order. The ONLY thing ever released was heavily redacted autopsies of the victims.
Why would they handle a case this way?

It's coming up on the two year anniversary. Maybe if all of us, who've been checking in on the case, for the past two years, submitted something, to the same places that you have, prior to the anniversary date, it may get attention? I chose one that I watched fairly regular but did not draft anything to send to the others, and it's been a while back. We could give it a shot. I am not familiar with a lot of the crime t.v. shows. 48 hours and 20/20 are about it for me. We have only one television so I don't watch a lot of t.v., but, if you wouldn't mind sharing your list, Dudly, that would be awesome! I'd write to them, no problem.

 

[Betty P]

And this is where I have trouble believing what "we" were told. It's obvious, from day one, if officials had their way we would know even less of the little we do know. I can't get over babies lying next to their mothers while the moms were shot. I just don't see it. I think that after one or two shots in any of those trailers, people would have woken up from the shots. Rhoden's Gilley had people showing up around their "compound" wanting to fight, had court appearances because of a violent act. Were know "fighters" in that community, badazz's if you will. Things being stolen from them and other neighbors. I just don't see them being asleep when all this started going down. With all the troubles that family was having and the business they were in, I assume they would be on some kind of alert. I believe that little B even though only 3 years old, saw something. He might not understand what he saw, but I believe he saw something.

I think they were "put to bed " like bad little boys and girls for some reason or made to lay there while they were shot.

Well, regarding the teenage kids who went to UHR looking to fight, I doubt they were mature enough to pull off such an extensive murder and cover their tracks the way LE said they did. Nor would they have the courage and emotional stamina to go to 4 different homes to kill 8 people. Most importantly, they wouldn't have been able to keep quiet about it. The teens who were out there were checked out by LE and not found to be suspects.

As for being asleep, CR1 and Gary likely were awakened. CR1 was beaten before being shot, so he obviously put up a fight. FR1 & HG were in bed lying close together, asleep. Sadly it would have been easy to shoot them both before either had a chance to fight back. KR, the same. One guy asleep, sadly easy to burst in and shoot him before he could make a move.

DR, HR & CR2, it was the same situation. The only person who appeared to hear anything was CR2, who was found between his bed and the wall. He heard the ruckus and was trying to hide.

It's also likely there was a team of at least 2 shooters. Recall Gary Rhoden's father said 2 different types of shells were found at the scene of their death, so 2 different guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NCX8nLDnX8

I do agree, it sounds like they were on alert for something, considering the teens found them out roaming around the night they went up on UHR, but they let those kids go when they realized they were just teens. They were expecting someone else.

I've also thought B saw something. If it were a family member or someone he recognized, he probably would have said something to indicate that. My guess is it was someone he didn't recognize. Perhaps they were wearing masks or some other kind of disguise.

 

[Betty P]

Another interesting comment from LE. I know we discussed it before, but never got a good explanation

Rhodens scoff at Pike County sheriff's comments


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...scoff-pike-county-sheriffs-comments/88507184/

"Do I feel like they are in danger? No I don't,'' said the children's great-uncle Tony Rhoden. "Why would (the killers) come in a dwelling, after they took out everyone, and leave those children alive? Why would (the killers) risk coming back again?

Pike County Juvenile Court Judge Robert Rosenberger said that it appeared that the killer intentionally spared the children by not killing them that fateful morning.

Reader disagreed. He told the judge that if the children had not been found by relatives they may have died.

Who does Reader think would have killed them? As Tony Rhoden points out, its highly unlikely the killers would return to town to kill the children they had left alive before.

Family members discovered them and they didn't kill them.

Who did Reader think was going to come back and murder the small children? Or was that just an excuse?

 

[rsd1200]

And this is where I have trouble believing what "we" were told. It's obvious, from day one, if officials had their way we would know even less of the little we do know. I can't get over babies lying next to their mothers while the moms were shot. I just don't see it. I think that after one or two shots in any of those trailers, people would have woken up from the shots. Rhoden's Gilley had people showing up around their "compound" wanting to fight, had court appearances because of a violent act. Were know "fighters" in that community, badazz's if you will. Things being stolen from them and other neighbors. I just don't see them being asleep when all this started going down. With all the troubles that family was having and the business they were in, I assume they would be on some kind of alert. I believe that little B even though only 3 years old, saw something. He might not understand what he saw, but I believe he saw something.

I think they were "put to bed " like bad little boys and girls for some reason or made to lay there while they were shot.

I see where you are coming from with the waking up. I think there were two folks though. One took care of HHG and the other FR.

One took care of GR and the other, seemed to have to empty the magazine, on CR1, or maybe they just wanted to empty the magazine on him.

At KR's he likely told them to come on in, and was sitting on the edge of his bed.

At DR's, one took care of DR in the front room, as one went to HMR's room. It was said the baby was laying near her. I think they picked the babies up and moved them, then put them back. It would just take a swift grab of the infant, to move the child, shoot the parent(s), and then replace the baby. I do believe that CR1 heard them, and was still awake, so, he hid between the wall and the bed. Then they went to his room.

LE didn't find CR2 for hours. I remember LM being agitated that they couldn't find CR2 for so long. JM's wife said that JM spoke of seeing DR's leg, as he started to go inside, and heard the baby crying, but he didn't want to see his niece "like that", so he didn't go inside.

These were folks who I'd bet had firearms of their own, and/or a baseball bat, or two. Whoever planned this, had put some effort into it all. I'e wondered if the one shot, to KR, was to make it look like a murder/suicide, but they failed.

The staying over at all times and days, iirc, KR was supposed to spend the night with HMR, but, as she was following HMR home, KR's bf got a toothache, and they turned around and went back home. She then ended up taking a babysitting job that night.

 

[rsd1200]

Another interesting comment from LE. I know we discussed it before, but never got a good explanation

Rhodens scoff at Pike County sheriff's comments


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...scoff-pike-county-sheriffs-comments/88507184/






Who does Reader think would have killed them? As Tony Rhoden points out, its highly unlikely the killers would return to town to kill the children they had left alive before.

Family members discovered them and they didn't kill them.

Who did Reader think was going to come back and murder the small children? Or was that just an excuse?

That was a very weird statement. Those babies were left alive on purpose. I think it was an excuse. They've used every excuse in the book to keep this in total darkness. I understand the need to have a solid case, and, I've noticed that more LEDs are going silent in cases, but this is the most locked down case I've known of. I hope that Reader is an honest man.

 

[Betty P]

I also came across this. I hadn't heard it before, or perhaps forgot it. It's a local tv interview with someone who has lived in the county a long time and was friends with the Rhoden family. They had some interesting things to say. The voice has been altered to protect their identity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwoeiWcWf3A

 

[Betty P]

Another interesting article from way back.

Public records belong to public 27 July 2016

http://www.starbeacon.com/opinion/e...cle_8b401f36-31e6-564d-b5c3-c1a761e38763.html

An editorial in support of the Cincinnati Enquirer and Columbus Dispatch in their lawsuit to view the unredacted Rhoden autopsy reports. Tony Rhoden and the family wanted them to be released to the new media and the family (who didn't have them)

It also has far-reaching financial implications for the families. According to the Dispatch, funeral bills, collectively, are more than $60,000. The families can apply for state victims’ of crime money to help cover expenses — but only if the person who died had not used drugs, certainly a question given the marijuana operation. In addition, without a final, official ruling on their deaths, life insurance proceedings can be tied up too.

Tony Rhoden, a brother to two victims, told the Dispatch the family wants the autopsy results but fears officials will keep the findings from them.

“A public record is a public record,” he said. “At this point, the family just wants answers — answers to anything, you know? We deserve that.”

So why was LE saying that the family didn't want them released? I just keep getting the feeling the surviving Rhoden family member have been manipulated so much.

 

[ts51]

Always following...cannot believe it will soon be two years and nothing...8 people murdered and basically nothing..smdh..it has got to be looked at by outside sources and I can't believe it hasn't been..simply cannot believe it.