I don't think he took her by force. I almost think he already had her. We kept a grandchild, for a few days, when a new one was born, so that Mom could get settled. It is said he brought S to the hospital to see K. The only one they were fighting over about not coming, publicly, anyway, was CG. HMR was adamant that he not come. Going in and just taking S could have caused a major disruption in their plans that night. What if HMR had called LE? Too big of a chance. I think he'd been Mr. Nice Guy, and she'd allowed him around because of S. You can see from their public FBs, at least public in the beginning, that he had her often. We try to get along sometimes for our children's sake. No one knew what they were plotting.