OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #36 *Arrests*

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  1. OsoTejano

    OsoTejano Well-Known Member

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    Some of my favorite methods:

    Removing the platters and then using a bench vise to crush it into a ball of aluminum.

    Use an oxyacetylene torch to cut the platters. Melts them up pretty good. :)

    Blow it to smitherines as a rifle target. A couple of clips and it’s toast.

    Solid state media - hit it with an arc welder. Total destruction. Just make sure to put the ground clamp on the circuit board ground and watch chips pop when you strike an arc on the leads.

    My wife thinks I am nuts sometimes but I use safety equipment (safety googles, leather welding gloves, and a respirator when using the welders)
     
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    OsoTejano Well-Known Member

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    I have been thinking about the confidential source that SP AC was talking about and there is a good chance that it could be human intel that the prosecution wants to keep confidential. Another thing that bothers me is that SP AC’s body language looks like she was uncomfortable selling the revenge conspiracy at FW’s bond hearing. JMO
     
  3. Myland

    Myland Well-Known Member

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    I listened to Dewine press conference again and I got the feeling someone may be able to apply for the reward money. He doesn’t outright say it but did anyone get the feeling someone might get the reward and if so I wonder if this is the source jmo
     
  4. Chelly

    Chelly Well-Known Member

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    For sure LE has the W's talking about the R murders. LE isn't going to release this to the public until trial because they don't need to. LE released conspiracy to murder DeWine and Reader to substantiate their charge for indictment, of course. Are you a friend of the Wagners?
     
  5. CIA Team Member

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    Excellent thoughts!!
     
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    And, just dawned on me. Allegedly, W'd began planning Jan 2016. That would be the time the R's were probably beginning to move forward with the purchase of DR's new property.
     
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  7. Myland

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    No not a friend or family of them. Just interested in the case like everyone else here. I guess people might think I am because I am keeping an more open mind about the case but I promise you no friend or family of Wagner’s. I want justice served just like everyone else. I am just looking at it both ways. JMo but if they do have them talking about that night then it’s a slam dunk case jmo
     
  8. pepper 34

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    Just as the lawyer argued against Jake's older brother not getting bail due to being the most enthusiastic and outspoken about a revenge plan, it might be Angela wasn't too keen on the idea and gently argued against it. I say gently because, it might have been 3 "for" and 1 "against" the plan. Two and a half years after the murders and now, under laser focus of LE, reality might have been setting in on her so she could finally see the desperate insanity of it all. Finally. (?) Yet, the lawyer could, in all fairness, bring it up because you never know what someone might do. They might change their mind and agreed to the plan later on.
    Just a guess.
     
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    Chelly Well-Known Member

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    Keeping an open mind, do you have a theory on who else might have murdered the R's?
     
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    I'm not sure "unlawful" means what it usually means when it comes to legal terms. Now, realize I have no experience in law and am not insisting on anything here. I will put the legal definitions here (same for the legal term: "usury" and people can make of it what they will.)
    Link at end of definitions.

    "Under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, an unlawful debt is defined as “a debt that is (A) unenforceable under state or federal law in whole or in part as to the principal or interest because of the laws relating to usury, and (B) which was incurred in connection with the business of lending money or a thing of value at a rate usurious under state or federal law, where the usurious rate is at least twice the enforceable rate.” Proctor v. Metro. Money Store Corp, 645 F. Supp. 2d 464 (D. Md. 2009)

    "Usury: Usury Law and Legal Definition. Usury is a civil or criminal violation involving charging more than the maximum interest rate allowed by law. ... If a court finds that the rate of interest on a loan is usurious, the interest due becomes void and only the principal of the loan needs to be repaid."

    Unlawful Debt Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.
     
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    I have read this and the “collection of an unlawful debt” is the second part of “pattern of corrupt activity or collection of an unlawful debt”. The key word here is “or”. The wording follows what is in the ORC. Doing a little more research, I found that corrupt activity could be basically any felony in Ohio. Given that, I read it like this group of people worked together to commit and/or facilitate a bunch of felonies. JMO

    ENGAGING IN A PATTERN OF CORRUPT ACTIVITY: STATE RICO CHARGES BECOME MORE PREVALENT IN OHIO

    The Wright Blog: Engaging in a Pattern of Corrupt Activity
     
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  12. Myland

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    No
     
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    And to go out further on a limb I might guess that Wagner the 3d lent money to Chris Sr... at an unlawful rate of interest. Chris Sr might have put the money down on Dana's new place rather than doing what he told Wagner the 3d he was going to do with the money. That would have caused a little explosion in Wagner the 3d's head. Jake was probably swerving all over the road when as he rushed home to tell Mom and Dad and Big Brubber that Chris Sr just bought the place down the road from his house for Dana and her kids. Now how would they get custody of S? How many people here guessed that new home for Dana was the catalyst for the murders? Things were already hot custody-wise and that would light the fuse. You bet they'd be looking for any cash they could find in those houses during the murders... probably went through people's pockets and purses, too. Maybe Kenneth was made to contribute to the cause and they were in such a hurry they had to leave what they dropped. I always assumed if a guy keeps his gun under his pillow, his money can't be too far away either.
    Anyway... just a guess.
     
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    Or skimming off the top jmo
     
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    The SP AC that I was referring to was Angela Canepa the Special Prosecutor. I had my wife look at her during her arguments at GW4’s bond hearing without sound and my wife’s impression was maybe a lack of confidence on her part. Maybe it was just her hair getting in her face, I don't know.
     
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    With the office of special prosecutions involved, the jury pool will be so thoroughly vetted no “friend” will sit on the jury. I did some of that work and there isn’t anything lawyers don’t know about someone.
     
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hey Everyone,
    I'll be making a new thread here in the next 10 to 20 minutes.
    Thanks,
    Tricia
     
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    Can anyone explain the pets thing in the indictment to me?
     
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    I'm still a novice at this. Raisin, Betty P, and rsd1200 are WAY better than me digging up info.
     
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