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  1. Aeronomy

    Aeronomy Active Member

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    (Please forgive me if UID is already listed)

    NamUs UP # 6604
    https://identifyus.org/cases/6604


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    Unidentified White Female
    * 04/24/1995 Body found in shallow grave by roadside
    * 09/02/1996 - cranium located near Hwy 66, approximately 1.2 mile from postcranial remains.

    Vital Statistics
    * Estimated age: 16 to 25 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'7"; weight unknown.
    * Hair Color: Unknown
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown body hair.

    Skeletal Findings
    * Possible term or near-term pregnancy.
    * Right-handed

    Clothing on Body
    * Blue jeans - "Lee Riders, Since 1889" - Size 7
    * Lace underwear
    * Bra

    Location
    * 4 miles west of 281 on old Hwy 66 in Caddo County, OK.

    Estimated postmortem interval
    * Months

    Rule-Outs
    Crystal Lynn Ortega
    Misty Ortega
     
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  3. OkieGranny

    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Crikey, the recon makes her look menopausal. I hope they took good pics of the skull so another artist can give it a try. And soon.

    :facepalm:
     
  4. Aeronomy

    Aeronomy Active Member

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    I came across the above UID while searching for potential matches for Rachel Pratt who was last seen January 1995 at home in Kansas. The photo rendering of the UID looks much older than Rachel, but I wondered if there was still a possibility since I also think the rendering looks older than estimated age of the UID, 16-25. What initially caught my attention was the possible near term pregnancy since Rachel was pregnant when she disappeared and the fact this UID was found a few hours away from where Rachel was last seen.

    More information on Rachel here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pratt_rachel.html
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    Obviously, it may not be her, but hopefully someone can help identify the UID.
     
  5. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I wouldn't rely too much on that recon. That artist, Betty Gatliff, has a very distinct style, and most of her sculptures have the same look.

    If you can look past the overall look and focus on the facial shape, Rachel looks pretty close.

    She is a little young compared to the estimate. But she seems to me to be close enough that I would want to see a rule-out based on DNA or dentals.
     
  6. hawkhd

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    I'll keep my fingers crossed for a Carl K recon on this one...
     
  7. alreetlike

    alreetlike Wait and hope.

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    Agreed. :( If this lady is ever identified I'll be very surprised if it's a result of the artwork.
     
  8. annoulzz

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    Those two photos do look similar. Hopefully it's a match.
     
  9. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    was she decapitated, or was her skull distance due to animal wandering?
     
  10. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    When they say Skeletal Findings: Possible term or near-term pregnancy, I don't think they meant that the Jane Doe was pregnant at the time of her death. I think they are saying that she had carried a pregnancy to full-term some time prior to her death.
     
  11. Damarna

    Damarna Verified State Coordinator for CFSI

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    Looking past the age of the recon I can see some similarities. If I consider the appearance of an older woman I could think mother or aunt.
     
  12. SilentSleuth

    SilentSleuth Despite the name, I like to talk!

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    I, using my limited Photoshop abilities, created a younger looking version of the UID. I softened her skin, defined her eyes and neck, and added a 'younger' hairstyle.


    Image003.jpg

    (As you can see, this is a skill I will try to work on :p)


    And here it is with Rachel Pratt.

    9601418_FR_3a.jpg Image003.jpg [​IMG]

    Rachel has a very similar facial shape to the UID.
     
  13. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    That was a younger hairstyle in 1995, I think, though the person I most remember wearing it is Michael Jackson :p But the eyes and mouth definitely look old and tired. Going just by shape, she does look a lot like Rachel.
     
  14. SilentSleuth

    SilentSleuth Despite the name, I like to talk!

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    The original hair (unscaled) was very normal straight hair. Definitely something Michael Jackson could pull off though! I just had to make it larger to fit her face and cover up that huge mane of hair. :D

    The recon looks Hispanic in some ways, but Rachel, oddly enough, while definitely Caucasian, looks somewhat Hispanic too.
     
  15. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't like modifying other peoples' work, so don't use this image anywhere else.

    But here is the same basic facial shape with her looking like she is about early 20's.

    Apr 95 Caddo Jane Doe Modified 002a.jpg
     
  16. EmmaliLucia

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    It sounds as though Rachel was most likely murdered by her boyfriend.

    Think about it, the most dangerous time in a woman's life is when she's pregnant, that's when any woman is the most likely to be murdered.

    And considering she was about to get her boyfriend arrested for statutory rape, there's more than one motive.

    Since she was in her first trimester in January and whoever this was had been dead for several months, I don't think they are the same person.

    But, it is worth a try, and they do say "May have" instead of "definitely had," When it says carried to full or near-full term
     
  17. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    LOL. "Big hair." Though that was kind of out of style by 1995.
     
  18. SilentSleuth

    SilentSleuth Despite the name, I like to talk!

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    Aeronomy, have you submitted Rachel?
     
  19. GreenHairedGirlie

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    Hey guys!
    I did a quick painting using the original reconstruction as a guideline for feature placement and face shape, and gave her lighter hair and a more youthful look. Let me know what you think :)
    recon.jpg
     
  20. SilentSleuth

    SilentSleuth Despite the name, I like to talk!

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    You and Carl totally outdid me. :)

    It looks really good, and best of all, it hi lights her identifying features! What did you use to make this?
     
  21. GreenHairedGirlie

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    Thanks SilentSleuth! Just photoshop and a Wacom tablet. I'm an artist by trade so I thought I'd see if I could put the skills to good use :)
     

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