OK OK - Girl Scout Murders, Lori Farmer, 8, Michele Guse, 9, Doris Milner, 10, 1977 #2

Betty P

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
18,620
Reaction score
86,221
Its assumed the reason he left the girls in their bags there on the dirt path was because the counselor Carla's alarm clock went off and she got up. The killer fled then, leaving the girls and the flashlight.
 

twall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2009
Messages
5,752
Reaction score
5,159
Fox Nation recently released a 4-part documentary. I am not a subscriber so I have not watched it but I might sign up for the free trial to watch. I did watch the Hulu doc when it came out earlier this year.


eta-I am now getting Fox Nation ads on WS-hmmmmm... I wonder why? :confused:
 

Betty P

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
18,620
Reaction score
86,221
Fox Nation recently released a 4-part documentary. I am not a subscriber so I have not watched it but I might sign up for the free trial to watch. I did watch the Hulu doc when it came out earlier this year.


eta-I am now getting Fox Nation ads on WS-hmmmmm... I wonder why? :confused:
Use Firefox as your browser. In Firefox, use some of their privacy apps. I use UBlock Origin and Privacy Badger
 

Betty P

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
18,620
Reaction score
86,221
One of the defense attorneys is still living and interviewed in the docu. He claims the glasses found in the cave with Hart's other possessions were taken from the "property room" at Camp Scott. Not true.

Lori Farmer's parents were very involved in prosecuting the case. Her dad knew (and still knows) the case and evidence very well. Today the case would probably be much easier to prosecute using more advanced DNA collection and storage. Hart was free for 10 months before he was caught. That's a lot of time to get rid of evidence and get a story lined up. It's interesting when the defense attorneys had Hart do a press conference, he wasn't wearing glasses, even though his eyesight was poor.

Defense was trying to "humanize" Hart by having a media interview. Hart was a convicted kidnapper and rapist who tried and almost succeeded in killing two women.
 
Last edited:

Richard

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2004
Messages
9,976
Reaction score
13,313
image

Lori Farmer, age 8. Murdered 13 June 1977
My Daughter Was Killed at Girl Scout Camp: How an Okla. Mom Seeks Justice 40 Years After Slaying

28836135_7c410ec1-3211-4078-a9e4-d50ecdbef2b2.jpeg


Michele Guse, age 9, Murdered 13 June 1977​

Photos of Michele Heather Guse - Find A Grave...



28836235_677512a5-1c98-4c54-9504-78dbbe9f4db4.jpeg

Doris Milner, age 10, Murdered 13 June 1977
Photos of Doris Denise Milner - Find A Grave...
 
Last edited:

Betty P

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
18,620
Reaction score
86,221
In some ways, I wish Gene LeRoy Hart was still alive in prison. From watching this docu I get the impression there are things current investigators would like to ask him.

I would ask him why he took all three girls from the tent - two he had already killed.

The show gives a good idea of the layout of the camp, the crime scene and Harts mother’s home nearby, where he often stayed.
 

Blondie in Spokane

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2009
Messages
10,967
Reaction score
13,283
Its assumed the reason he left the girls in their bags there on the dirt path was because the counselor Carla's alarm clock went off and she got up. The killer fled then, leaving the girls and the flashlight.

I kept wondering where was he taking the bodies to?

ETA also the part about the flashlight being wrapped in duct tape & plastic so that only a fraction of a beam of light was emitted, now that freaked me out and still freaks me out!
 

Richard

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2004
Messages
9,976
Reaction score
13,313
I kept wondering where was he taking the bodies to?

ETA also the part about the flashlight being wrapped in duct tape & plastic so that only a fraction of a beam of light was emitted, now that freaked me out and still freaks me out!

Using tape to reduce the light beam was something done during World War II. It was required to be done to car headlights to reduce the possibility of enemy bombers homing in on targets during times of black-out. So it was something that anyone in the US would know about if they lived on the home front during the war years of 1941 - 1945.
 

Richard

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2004
Messages
9,976
Reaction score
13,313
Picture of

Gene Leroy “Sonny” Hart​

BIRTH 27 Nov 1943
Mayes County, Oklahoma, USA
DEATH 4 Jun 1979 (aged 35)
McAlester, Pittsburg County, Oklahoma, USA
BURIAL
Ballou Cemetery
Mayes County, Oklahoma, USA

Suspect in the 1977 Girl Scout Murders. His DNA cannot be excluded as a contributor to DNA found at the crime scene. Previously pled guilty of rape in 1966 of two (pregnant) teenagers, but he escaped from prison and was on the loose when the Girl Scout Murders occurred. Captured and returned to prison, he was serving time for his earlier convictions when he died in prison. His M.O. in the previous rapes was to use tape and tie victims to trees. This is similar to the Girl Scout Murders crime scene.

LINK:
 

kemo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2007
Messages
1,667
Reaction score
1,226
I’m satisfied Hart is guilty but we will probably never know for sure. He died a natural death sooner than Oklahoma could have executed him had he been convicted (ain’t Karma a sometimes) so, in this case the failure of the investigation and prosecution didn’t matter.

There were some serious problems with the investigation and the case wasn’t really that strong. Since he was going to spend a long time for the earlier rape and escape convictions, it may have been ill advised to prosecute when they did. Of course no one could foresee advances in DNA.
 

dazedandconfused

New Member
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
15
Reaction score
5
I’m satisfied Hart is guilty but we will probably never know for sure. He died a natural death sooner than Oklahoma could have executed him had he been convicted (ain’t Karma a sometimes) so, in this case the failure of the investigation and prosecution didn’t matter.

There were some serious problems with the investigation and the case wasn’t really that strong. Since he was going to spend a long time for the earlier rape and escape convictions, it may have been ill advised to prosecute when they did. Of course no one could foresee advances in DNA.
 

Betty P

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
18,620
Reaction score
86,221
I’m satisfied Hart is guilty but we will probably never know for sure. He died a natural death sooner than Oklahoma could have executed him had he been convicted (ain’t Karma a sometimes) so, in this case the failure of the investigation and prosecution didn’t matter.

There were some serious problems with the investigation and the case wasn’t really that strong. Since he was going to spend a long time for the earlier rape and escape convictions, it may have been ill advised to prosecute when they did. Of course no one could foresee advances in DNA.

The public pressure was too great to wait. They needed to find him and put him back behind bars. Most of the evidence was preserved and they were able to do some DNA testing. The results were fairly indicative, moreso when combined with all the other evidence. Some of the jurors admitted they knew he was guilty. They didn't want to face community pressure and knew he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison anyway..
 
Top