Match! OK - Muskogee Co., Fem Skeletal UP11509, 25-40,denim skirt, Jan'83 *Francine Frost*

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    NamUs UP 11509 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11509

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    Unidentified Female (Race not Indicated)

    The victim was discovered on January 05, 1983, 5 miles east and 1 mile south of the town of Martin, Muskogee County, Oklahoma

    Body Condition
    Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
    Probable Year of Death: 1970-1982 ​

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 25-40 Years
    Approximate Height: 54 inches (4 feet 6 inches) - This is probably a data entry error - 5 feet 4 inches erroneously entered as "54 inches", when it should have been entered as 64 inches.
    Approximate Weight: Unknown.​

    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: White girdle; Blue jean prairie skirt (waist size 20"); Plaid blouse​

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Not Available
    Dentals: Available and Entered
    DNA: Not Available

    Case History
    Located by Law Enforcement​
     
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  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Just based on the location and clothing - this looks like a match to me.

    Francine Frost
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/frost_francine.html

    UP11509 - Clothing Description:
    Francine Frost - Clothing Description:
    In addition:
    * Her age (43) is slightly over the upper age limit (25-40)
    * Her height (5'3") is within an inch of what I presume her "54 inches" height was intended to be (i.e., 5'4")
    * Her location LKA (Tulsa OK) is about 60 miles from where the remains were found (Martin OK).
    * The timeframe from Feb'81 to Jan'83 is almost two years. - Consistent with the 1970-82 estimated year of death.
     
  4. CCart

    CCart Verified registered nurse

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    20" waist? Like, circumference? That's extremely small.

    But I agree, Francine sounds like a match. Poor lady.
     
  5. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I submitted this last night to Michael Nance by e-mail, and I got this reply:

     
  6. jenstar

    jenstar New Member

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    Nice work! Hopefully this is a match. :)
     
  7. dogperson

    dogperson Member

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    A 20" waist is small but looks like Francine only weighed about 115 pounds, so she had a slender build. This looks like a great match.
     
  8. coonhound

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    They may have mis-entered 20" for perhaps 28" or 29", which would be more reasonable. Much like they did with the height.

    Either way, looks like a match. The discovery site is rather odd, though. I wonder if this was off the Musckogee Turnpike which is within a 1/2 mile of the description of where the UID was located.

    http://goo.gl/maps/CdL2D
     
  9. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I suspect that the Muskogee turnpike was probably either not there in 1983, or was just a road.
     
  10. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Keep us posted
    Can't believe they lost her!
     
  11. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    If I recall correctly, I read a few years ago that Oklahoma had a huge mess a few years ago with the record keeping and storage of UID skeletal remains.

    It was a big scandal at the time, and the OCME has done quite a bit of work to straighten it all up now, but this case is probably one of those that didn't get resolved.
     
  12. dogperson

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    I could easily imagine Francine having a 20" waist according to her stats for my late mom was about the same size. She had a teeny tiny waist which unfortunately I did not inherit. Definitely though whoever wore a skirt that small, if the measurement is correct, had a very petite build.
     
  13. doublestop

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    I knew Francine's sister. She is a tiny woman in terms of waist size. If Francine were built like her sister, she could very easily have had a 20 inch waist. I have wondered about this ever since it happened. Sadly, this does sound like a good match.
     
  14. OkieGranny

    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    They found where the remains were buried:

    http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news...cle_2ff463ee-d762-11e4-ae5f-cb47498a4ef6.html

     
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    webrocket New Member

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    Let's hope they dug up the correct body. Won't be the first time that happened.
     
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    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news...cle_dd88dfcb-e0fc-5968-ba8a-9820d7aacf83.html

     
  17. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I just hope they don't give up like the folks in Mississippi did.

    They probably won't, as this is a homicide investigation. The woman in Mississippi was an accidental death, and therefore no urgency from a LE standpoint.
     
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    Wow! Another one for Carl! Thanks for all you do for those with no voice.

    RIP, Francine. So happy you have your name back
     
  20. Peachykeen

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    Wonder why Francine was in Muskogee? That is pretty far from Tulsa.
     
  21. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    Yes, I just looked up on the size charts and, the smallest woman's size, a size 000 aka size XXXS is for a 23" waist so in today's sizes a 20" waist would be some child's size.

    At any rate, RIP Francine and who is responsible?
     

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