OR OR - Portland, WhtFem UP9936, 35-55, suicide at Portland Inn, Dec'94

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  1. JayFletcher6493

    JayFletcher6493 Member

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    Has there been any reconstructions done of this Jane Doe?
     


  2. FiveFelines

    FiveFelines Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen one, but there are actual photos of her on Namus (linked on the first page of this thread).
     
  3. JayFletcher6493

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    I'm seeing different coloring between Karen and the UID... Karen was a redhead w/ blue eyes... eyes darken after death though. Bone structure also looks different to me, and Karen seems to have a slightly unusual eye shape - "puppy dog eyes."

    Is it kind of weird to anyone else that, including "Mary Anderson" of Seattle, there are these two unidentified female suicide victims who died within a couple yrs. of each other in the Pacific Northwest, with both women choosing to commit the act in a hotel room of a very swanky hotel? Both seemed to like Nordstrom, both provided phony names to the hotel (though we don't know nearly enough about this Jane Doe's alibi or personal possessions as we do Mary's) and both chose to die wearing an austere, yet elegant, all-black outfit. Hmmm...
     
  5. Tony1902

    Tony1902 Possible thread killer & absurd quantum theorist

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    Would she not have needed a credit card to check in?
     
  6. catlike

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    I'm not necessarily seeing anything weird. The fact that they were both in the PNW with bags from Nordstrom isn't odd at all, given that there were two major department stores in the region: Nordstrom and Bon Marché (now Macy's). Also, the Portland Inn was a Day's Inn (and looks every bit of one, according to the outside photos), so not exactly swanky.
     
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    Good point... so many suicides out there, and a lot of them in major cities, unfortunately. I also think the way women choose to "go out" vs. how men do (i.e. Lyle Stevik) can be very different. The most elaborate one I've come across was Annandale Jane Doe. But, then again, I've seen UID suicide cases where the woman set herself on fire (Baltimore), or jumped off an overpass (CA). You just never know, but I think it says a lot about the person and their preferences in life.
     
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    Eye color is off (green vs. brown) but everything else seems to match up and she does resemble the morgue photos. Carol only has DNA entered and the UID only has dentals.

    There is a Facebook page for Carol. Note that the UID had surgical scars and Carol apparently did not:

    https://www.facebook.com/MissingCarolAnnSmith/

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    If I had to guess, I'd say she was murdered by her husband: https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=wQcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=6984,2618821&hl=en
     
  10. jjohnston0827

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    Recently added to NamUs:

    Lynne Brown

    Resemblance is decent, age is within range, height is a bit off, eye color is off, and circumstances don't contradict a suicide. What do you guys think?
     
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    I'm following a few cases of unidentifiable suicide victims in hotels. One question keep coming to mind. How did they get there? They obviously didn't park their car in the parking lot because that would be matched right away. And it seems like if they live in the general vicinity it would be on the news and those involved in the case would recognize them. So does that mean these people methodically planned to travel far away from home in a way that couldn't be traced?
     
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    My guess is taxis or public transportation in some cases. IIRC, "Mary Anderson" in Seattle took a cab to the hotel where she killed herself.
     
  13. bloobutterfly

    bloobutterfly Emma Fillipoff 2012 Victoria, BC

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    What about... https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5178/0/
    She disappeared before her 40th birthday. No body was found. Man was charged and jailed. If this Jane doe is Julia, then she committed suicide in the days just after her 50th birthday. If it was her, she was a real estate agent who had reason to hide, and a guilty conscience could have led to suicide. Real estate agents can afford nose jobs also. I think the only difference in the photos are that the nose is thinner in the older person. Noses are hard to compare also because of figure in repose and viewing angle. The eyebrow ridges are very prominent in both women. No offense to anyone, just speculation.
     
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    However, as I see which could be a big rule out is that Julia has blue eyes and JD has brown tho..

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    I would definitely submit that potential match! While it is far away, there is a strong resemblance and the timeline matches up well. She is not in the current rule out list and there is no DNA on file which would have perhaps allowed on automatic match. Great suggestion!
    Current Ruleouts:
    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
    Susan Adams 1947 Idaho
    SUZANNE ARBELL 1931 California
    JULIEANNE BAUER 1952 California
    Dona Bayerl 1940 Wisconsin
    Rose Cole 1956 California
    Katheryne Eggleston 1971 Oregon
    Joyce Hess 1920 Oregon
    Suzanne Justis 1950 Oregon
    Teresa Peroni 1955 Oregon
    Lisa Scheer 1962 New York
    Billie Willard 1941 North Carolina
     
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    1265UFOR

    Date of Discovery: October 18, 1994
    Location of Discovery: Portland, Multnomah County, Oregon
    Date of Death: 12 hours prior
    State of Remains: Recognizable face
    Cause of Death: Suicide

    Physical Description
    Estimated Age: 35-55 years old
    Race: White
    Sex: Female
    Height: 5'6"
    Weight: 130 lbs.
    Hair Color: Brown; 12 inches long
    Eye Color: Brown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Single pierced ears, no earrings. Vertically oriented, well-healed surgical scar on the lateral right breast in the anterior axillary line, measuring 1-1/4" in length. C-shaped scar on the left knee; appears to be surgical in origin, measures approx. 1-1/2" in length.

    Identifiers
    Dentals: Available
    Fingerprints: Available
    DNA: Not Available

    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: Black sweater, black underwear, black bra, and black knee high nylon socks.
    Jewelry: Unknown
    Additional Personal Items: Metal-rimmed eyeglasses and a Nordstrom'sshopping bag.

    Circumstances of Discovery
    The victim was found in her hotel room at the Portland Inn, which she had checked into using a fictitious name.

    Investigating Agency(s)
    Agency Name: Multnomah County Sheriff's Office
    Agency Contact Person: Dr. Veronica Vance
    Agency Phone Number: 503-251-2402
    Agency Email: Unknown
    Agency Case Number: 94-2962

    Agency Name: Oregon State Police
    Agency Contact Person: Dr. Veronica Vance
    Agency Phone Number: (971) 673-8200
    Agency Email: Unknown
    Agency Case Number: 94-2962

    NCIC Case Number: Unknown
    NamUs Case Number: 9936

    Information Source(s)
    NamUs

    Admin Notes
    Added: 3/14/2015; Last Updated:6/12/2018
     
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