OR - PRESIDENTIAL PARDON - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #4

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  1. Dr. Know?

    Dr. Know? Former Member

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    Well, so much for an early verdict. Tomorrow is another day...
     


  2. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    Ok, you talked me into it. :)
     
  3. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    That was unreal. I do hope he gets help.
     
  4. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    So, for some unknown reason, while waiting today for the weekend to pass and for the jury to reconvene, I was reading about voter fraud and ran across an article about Sheriff Jon Lopey of Siskiyou County in California.

    The first article I read was here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/siskiyou-county-tries-toss-lawsuit-voter-intimidation-hmong

    &@?%*+£!!!

    I am so frustrated at the moment with trying to keep my WS post intact while I refer back to the article I am linking to that after losing most of what I have posted, I am just going to link to this additional article about the sheriff:


    Refugees Say Right-Wing California Sheriff Intimidated Them at Gunpoint
    The Hmong community of Northern California is suing a lawman obsessed with ‘voter fraud’ for allegedly scaring them away from the polls with assault rifles.

    The Daily Beast
    By Kelly Weill
    09.26.16 10:13 PM ET


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nia-sheriff-intimidated-them-at-gunpoint.html

    Snips

    “Siskiyou County has a Hmong community of approximately 1,000 people, most of whom moved there from Minnesota and elsewhere in California in 2015, to a cold welcome from local officials, attorney Brian Ford told The Daily Beast.

    Even outside his rural California county, Siskiyou Sheriff Jon Lopey is a force. Lopey is a loud spokesperson against federal land regulations, a stance that allies him with the Bundy family, and has allegedly made local Native Americans uneasy about driving down Siskiyou County roads alone. Lopey is also member of the so-called Constitutional Sheriffs, a right-wing order that includes notorious sheriff Joe Arpaio, and encourages officers to only enforce laws they believe to be constitutional.”

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    “But Lopey’s anti-fraud strategy looked like a ground invasion, the Hmong community’s lawsuit claims. Local officers would drive to a Hmong home en mass, armed with assault weapons to question the residents—many of whom are not native English speakers—on their voter registration.

    “The sheriff’s taken to wearing this sort of combat gear: big black bulletproof vest, very visible, cargo pants tucked into the boots like if you were in an invading force. The most notable part though are the assault rifles,” Ford said, adding that many of his clients still experience deep trauma from fighting in Vietnam and living in war-stricken Laos.”​

    Lots more...
     
  5. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Maxine Bernstein
    Maxine Bernstein – Verified account ‏@maxoregonian

    .#oregonstandoff supporters driving around downtown Portland with bullhorn yelling, "Release the Bundys!' : https://youtu.be/_DHxAhCV-cg


    Oregon standoff supporters driving around downtown federal courthouse...

    View on web
    2:41 PM - 24 Oct 2016
     
  6. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Maxine Bernstein
    Maxine Bernstein – Verified account ‏@maxoregonian

    Jurors in #oregonstandoff case adjourning for day - continuing deliberations tomorrow
    4:30 PM - 24 Oct 2016
     
  7. Cricket99

    Cricket99 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what the jurors options are. Do they have to find all of the defendants guilty of the same crime(s) ? Do they have several choices of what they feel they are guilty of? This could take a long time to sort out.
     
  8. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Apparently there are problems with reports of a biased juror:

    Maxine Bernstein
    2h2 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Prosecutor Ethan Knight argued for no interference in jury deliberation process #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
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    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Judge:'It's possible this alleged bias may be associated w/ lack of unanimity on certain charges.' #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    2h2 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Judge said she can't inquire about what's discussed in deliberations, but sent message back asking juror accused of bias to be id'd by #

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    Maxine Bernstein
    2h2 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Defense lawyer Per Olson argued for juror who reportedly expressed his bias, as reported in note, to be dismissed #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    2h2 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    second jury note #oregonstandoff
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    Maxine Bernstein
    2h2 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    First jury note #oregonstandoff
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    Maxine Bernstein
    3h3 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    @LukeEvansSimon not yet - will let you know when I do

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    Maxine Bernstein
    4h4 hours ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Parties being summoned back to court in #oregonstandoff trial for a jury question #oregonstandoff​
     
  9. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    This article sort of describes the issue:

    Malheur Jurors Question Impartiality Of Fellow Jury Member
    by Conrad Wilson Follow and Amelia Templeton
    Follow OPB | Oct. 25, 2016 1:20 p.m. | Updated: Oct. 25, 2016 4:19 p.m. | Portland


    http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...rial-juror-impartiality/#.WA_QSoi-nHc.twitter

    Federal prosecutors and the attorneys for seven defendants in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge trial reconvened Tuesday afternoon at the U.S. District Courthouse in downtown Portland.

    Jurors submitted two questions to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown. In a hand-written note, the jurors indicated they may not be able to agree on charges for all seven of the defendants.​
     
  10. Dr. Know?

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    Conrad Wilson ‏@conradjwilson 4h4 hours ago
    There was a juror who was seated who said he worked for the BLM as a firefighter 20 yrs ago. This came up during voir dier. #oregonstandoff

    Hmm, bias for or against BLM? Sounds against them. Great.
     
  11. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Websleuths shuts down tomorrow, Wednesday at 6 pm Eastern / 3 pm Pacific for a long overnight maintainence session.

    I have a feeling something bigly will happen in this case tomorrow, after three. :D
     
  12. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Maxine Bernstein
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    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Defense lawyers got word prosecutors plan to stipulate/ agree to dismiss juror 11 #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    32m32 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Prosecutors returning to courtroom #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    33m33 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Wampler's lawyer Robert Salisbury:'From my perspective you can't leave a guy on the jury who says 'I'm biased.' " #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
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    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Judge cited this 9th Circuit Court ruling Terry Christensen v. US #oregonstandoff
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    Maxine Bernstein
    41m41 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Jury in #Oregonstandoff trial is continuing to deliberate as lawyers confer #Oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
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    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Judge:'There is not any clear way forward that is not fraught with risk.' #Oregonstandoff
     
  14. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    To accommodate all the new people coming to Websleuths because of the docuseries we are moving to a much bigger and faster server.

    This is just a reminder that the Websleuths forum will be down starting Wednesday (tomorrow) at 6 PM Eastern. We hope to be back up by Thursday morning.

    Members can check for updates on Twitter and Facebook.
     
  15. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Maxine Bernstein
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    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Alternate juror 18 is heading to Portland from Central OR and will be ready to start Thurs am #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    1h1 hour ago
    Maxine Bernstein ‏@maxoregonian
    Judge just sent jury home for day after she told all in courtroom that she had to dismiss Juror 11 #oregonstandoff

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  16. Sillybilly

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    Oregon Occupation Trial Draws Crowds, But Still No Verdict


    October 26, 2016·1:38 PM ET
    Kirk Siegler
    Rebecca Hersher
    Updated at 2:30 p.m. ET

    [...]

    On Tuesday, Oregon Public Broadcasting reports, jurors sent a note to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown asking whether they needed to agree on a decision concerning all seven defendants.

    "If we are able to agree on a verdict for three of the defendants; but are at a stand-off for the others, does our decision for the three stand? Or does this become a mistrial for all the defendants?" the jurors wrote.

    [...]
     
  17. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Maxine’s article on Wedesday October 26th court events:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/federal_judge_dismisses_a_juro.html

    “The judge thanked Juror 11 for his service and told him his dismissal does not mean he's done "anything wrong or anything untoward.''

    "But the problem is, a question was raised and it can't be resolved without me questioning every one of you about your deliberative process,'' the judge said, and that's unacceptable and could violate federal rules.

    The jurors sat stone-faced, displaying no visible emotion. They were allowed to leave for the day by noon Wednesday, ordered to return Thursday morning.

    Defense lawyer Robert Salisbury, who represents defendant Jeff Banta, said the judge made the right call.

    "From my perspective, you can't leave a guy on there who says, 'I'm biased,''' Salisbury said.

    Andrew Chongseh Kim, a Concordia University law professor, said the judge's decision may have avoided a potential appeal, should there be a conviction, at least on this matter.

    "Dismissing Juror 11 helps ensure the defendants' right to a fair trial and the appearance of a fair trial,'' Kim said.

    -- Maxine Bernstein​

    Don't know if it will show up for everyone but I rather enjoyed the Toy'sR Us ad that came with the article.
     
  18. KaaBoom

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    This is pretty weird. Does anyone know of another case where a jury complained to a judge and got one of the jurors thrown off the case during deliberations? I can't think of any other case of it. The entire thing sounds kind of inappropriate to me. I always thought that once jurors started deliberating, they had to come to a verdict, regardless of their disagreements. Now it sounds like if they don't agree with one of the jurors they can ask the judge to remove them. At this point nothing would surprise me about this jury. I have feeling there could be more surprises before this is over.
     
  19. i.b.nora

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    I don't know about Federal trials but the Scott Peterson trial comes to mind when the jurors complained about other jurors after deliberations had begun. IMO, this guy should never have been allowed on the jury in the first place. It seems he was biased and unable to set that aside. Therefore, unfair to BOTH sides, imo.
     
  20. i.b.nora

    i.b.nora I am polka dot

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    Maxine Bernstein &#8207;@maxoregonian
    Juror 1 , past presiding juror, asked if they keep same presiding juror. Judge said, 'no....because your prior deliberations don't count.'

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    Maxine Bernstein
    51m51 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein &#8207;@maxoregonian
    Judge to jury: 'Disregard entirely' past deliberations #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    53m53 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein &#8207;@maxoregonian
    Jury going until 5:30 pm today; not meeting on Fri #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    54m54 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein &#8207;@maxoregonian
    Judge: 'Starting over may seem frustrating . Do not let it discourage you .' #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    57m57 minutes ago
    Maxine Bernstein &#8207;@maxoregonian
    Judge told jurors 'do not speculate' or 'discuss' the reasons why they're a new panel of 12 jurors #oregonstandoff

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    Maxine Bernstein
    1h1 hour ago
    Maxine Bernstein &#8207;@maxoregonian
    Judge welcomed Juror 18, reminded new panel of 12 jurors to 'start anew on everything.' #oregonstandoff
     

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