GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #5

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  1. newsjunkie

    newsjunkie Not to be confused with A_News_Junkie

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    For me it was a page back. Sorry I don't have any advice, I just grin and bear it until the next page.
     
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    Thanks, Bravo! :seeya:

    Things look back to normal now.
     
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    Your welcome. And welcome if i haven't yet done so :seeya:
     
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    If you hold down the Crtl key and push the minus (-) button it might bring the margins back.

    It works for my on Ebay when someone puts on a huge picture.
     
  5. Xavier

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    [QUOTE=PoirotryInMotion;8560496]Telephone pole mystery solved! Thought I'd remembered someone posting this pic earlier:

    [​IMG]

    So, thoughts:

    IF the phone was on the berm next to the turnout, then it was tossed there, it didn't accidentally fall out of someone's pocket during the murder. But why tossed there that Tuesday morning, if trying to get rid of it, rather than into the trees across the road, which would have hidden it much more permanently?

    *And why the need to get rid of it if turned off, and the last call/info transaction he'd had on it was 6:08 AM when presumably he was still up in the Gresham area--with no connection to the murder site? If turned off, no ping.

    Okay, I'm off to look for the 'threw it into the lake' article...[/QUOTE]


    Good points....IMO You gotta remember, Holt just committed a horrific murder. Maybe the first time he did this. He shot WH 4 times, head and chest shots. So his rage, violent mental state was pretty high.

    Factor in during the drive back to town, possibly Holt was getting calls from his employers, his parents, maybe his wife all wanting to know why he did'nt go to work...

    I'd seriously think he did'nt give a darn about anyone or anything else at the moment of pitching the cell phone, so to just get rid of the "annoying, hassling" phone calls, he just threw it out spontaneously, not giving second thoughts if it would be found implicating him to the crime...To me this makes the most psychological sense.

    JMO
     
  6. PoirotryInMotion

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    But remember...JH wasn't getting calls on his phone. When Amanda went to cancel his phone service Tuesday night, AT&T records showed that last call/info transaction on his phone was at 6:08 AM that morning. Then it was likely turned off, because 30 more calls tried to make it through, but did not--went to voicemail as though service was off.

    From kodi's post above:
    So if he threw his phone on the berm, it wasn't because it was ringing and bothering him. It was there for some other reason.
     
  7. newsjunkie

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    Have we heard what kind of phone WH had? If CH was a iPhone owner, maybe WH was too. It's possible he saw a phone lying there on the seat or console and tossed it, and then didn't realize until later that he tossed his (CH's old) phone instead of WH's.

    Then, of course, creating the need to toss WH's phone out later when he realized it was still with him. Doing so in the same fashion he tossed out all the other evidence along the way.
     
  8. PoirotryInMotion

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    Newsjunkie, I think I remember reading in the PDF that WH had a "smart phone" (generic term for iPhone--though not necessarily that brand).
     
  9. PoirotryInMotion

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    In thinking about this, though, I'm pretty sure if JH kidnapped WH, he wouldn't have left her phone on the seat. It would probably have been pocketed by him early on, so that she wouldn't try to use it and phone for help. In fact, my guess is he wouldn't have had his phone on the seat for the same reason.
     
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    I never noticed the term smartphone used, but it most definitely was since there was a data usage report from AT&T.

    Either way I guess whether it is an iPhone or Android phone is another question we won't have an answer to anytime soon.
     
  11. newsjunkie

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    Still possible then that he could have tossed the wrong phone at the scene, and when hers started going off again he had to toss it elsewhere.
     
  12. Xavier

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    Yeah PIM, there are so many " HOLTISMS" of stupid behavior in how he carried out this crime. The gas stops were Huge Risks, almost idiotic at the least.

    1. Holt should've worn gloves to eliminate finger prints.

    2. Once at Dodge Park, your aerial photos show high grassy fields, even Sasq mentioned No Trespassing Signs, so doubtful folks would venture around that area anymore.
    So why not drive the SUV back into the fields, or hidden areas, do the murder, then clean up SUV, put WH's belongings, cell phone in a trash bag and take it with him.. Then take off the SUV vehicle ID # (VIN) on the inner dashboard, remove both license plates. This would conceal the owner's identity for awhile at least.

    3. Holt then could walk thru the fields, much less noticed by people, until he gets far away from the crime scene. Then walk the roads towards town.

    4. If Holt wanted to get rid of the cell phones, why not get a rock and smash them and scatter the pieces everywhere, somewhere in the fields far from the crime scene.

    JMO, this would seem the easiest way to do this crime, and possibly Holt could've been scot free at this point and not sitting in jail. But, he made too many "Holtisms" and got caught.

    Holt now back home, could've made up the robbery on the way to the bus stop at the MAX -- I think that what someone said -- and never made it to work, since he was "shaken up" by the incident.
    The robbery lie could be his alibi or just said he fell ill going to the bus stop and needed to rest for awhile. Then called in sick to his employers.

    If Holt put on his gloves sometime after leaving finger prints in the SUV, then if he's a registered gun owner, I think the Oregon bureaus of firearms/LE could get his prints off the registered gun owners database.

    But, f he did it this way, IMO he could've pulled this crime off. But, luckily for all concerned, Holt's poor planning made it easier for everyone.
     
  13. Xavier

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    PIM--- Yeah, you have some good points. It's so idiotic that Holt seemed to leave evidence Clearly Visible as if inviting the evidence to be discovered easily?

    And Holt should've had his INNER RADAR on High alert after the 1st, 2cd LE interviews, knowing he likely would be tailed under surveillance. Then he does another idiotic move and got caught disposing of evidence.

    I still would love to see the Shell gas videos and try to see who the passenger was in the SUV.
    IMO There's no way WH was in the passenger seat slumped over with the gas attendant standing nearby the SUV. So who was riding in the SUV as claimed by the gas attendant? That's the mystery question I believe.
     
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    Good points Kodi--- If Holt's cell phone had 30 incoming calls on it, that's alot of calls. IMO the calls were from his employers, his parents, his wife, maybe JW search team members calling Holt to volunteer for WH's search.
    That would be a shock for Holt to see that text.

    Now that you've validated a lot of calls were on Holt's cell phone, so I believe he saw several calls coming in during the Dodge Park murder site, so in an act of spontaneity, frustration, anger, Holt just casually throws out his cell phone via ride back to town.

    Think of Holt's mindset.

    He just brutally murdered some one he knew and probably cared about. The last thing he wanted was contact from the real world, so to rid himself of the hassling, irritating phone calls, he decides to "chuck it" spontaneously on the roadside berm. This makes the most psychologial sense to me.
     
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    Goo dpoint sPIM---- Is it possible for a cell phone that's turned off, to still see the caller ID"s? If this is possible, then it makes sense to me Holt wanted to get rid of his phone from the annoying calls from the real world?

    Also, on this thought, maybe Holt thought he threw out WH's phone thinking it was his phone, which maybe was still turned on or possibly if it was off, then maybe you can see the caller ID's on a turned off cell phone.
     
  16. Xavier

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    PIM--- I'm thinking if it was a utility vehicle owned by the local utilities companies, as has been claimed, it would've had the "DUKE ENERGY or PGE "company logo on it. No one's mentioned the vehicle belonged to any company.

    Now bear in mind, many service oriented companies have white utility vehicles for deliveries, on site work orders, repairs, etc....
     
  17. newsjunkie

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    No, when a phone is turned off, it is off. No caller ID, no data usage, no GPS, nothing. When you turn it back on, you sometimes don't even know you had missed calls unless they leave a voicemail.
     
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    Wow! Almost like an ongoing concerted effort to confuse, muddy, twist and spew nonsense about the facts as they are known to date. Why?
     
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    Good points....IMO You gotta remember, Holt just committed a horrific murder. Maybe the first time he did this. He shot WH 4 times, head and chest shots. So his rage, violent mental state was pretty high.

    Factor in during the drive back to town, possibly Holt was getting calls from his employers, his parents, maybe his wife all wanting to know why he did'nt go to work...

    I'd seriously think he did'nt give a darn about anyone or anything else at the moment of pitching the cell phone, so to just get rid of the "annoying, hassling" phone calls, he just threw it out spontaneously, not giving second thoughts if it would be found implicating him to the crime...To me this makes the most psychological sense.

    JMO[/QUOTE]


    Good points PIM--- Holt easily could've thrown the phone into the heavy wooded areas to conceal it. Instead, the phone's placed in clear visibility, which is another mystery why Holt places the cell phone and lots of other evidence to be easily discovered?
     
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    Yes, thanks! For some reason I had that telephone pole photo image in my mind and kept thinking when I read the pdf that the 'berm' must mean the small grassy island the pole was sitting on. I couldn't tell from that picture's angle that the actual berm was a berm.
     
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