Orange County Commission meeting - listen now

[Sherbie]

It would be very simple to free the security officers up. Tell the protestors to go home and then they wouldn't be needed at the Anthonys.

Or tell the Anthonys to use common sense and not make the situation worse by intentionally engaging or otherwise doing things they know will result in a confrontation and further unnecessary use of law enforcement resources.

As evidenced by Cindy's coming out at midnight to hammer on the stakes and play with the tape, as well as confronting and chasing a protester to her car, she just can't stand not saying something to people, even though she knows what the result will likely be. She really hates not having control over things like she's used to having, IMO, and just can't seem to help herself. Some restraint and common sense on her part is in order here if she truly wants things to be more peaceful.

In fact, I think if she would've ignored the protesters from the beginning instead of trying to engage/confront them at every opportunity, this wouldn't be happening. People like the protesters who are bullyish don't have much fun when their target doesn't seem to be affected by their behavior, and they generally move on when they don't get the reaction they want. The peaceful protesters are not a problem.

I think the best solution of all would be for the Anthonys to make it a condition of Casey's staying in their home that she must tell them where precious little Caylee is OR go back to jail -- especially if they really believe the child is alive as they claim to believe.

 

[Sherbie]

I see that MN has decided to do the "right thing" and move the vigil. Haven't we been saying this for weeks now?! They don't need a high priced criminal attorney to tell them it is foolish to hold that vigil in their driveway because it only encourages drama. Sheesh!

Really! It's almost as if they want the drama. Before their supporters come along to say it, I will: "They have a right to do what they want on their own property." Of course they do, but they have to be prepared for what they know will be the consequences, too, in making that decision.

I guess they don't mind the confrontations too much or they would've moved the vigil a long time ago. I'm sure there are plenty of churches or community areas that would be glad to allow them to hold a gathering for Caylee -- maybe even indoors so that the environment is controlled. Of course, being inside lessens the opportunity for engaging protesters and lessens their sympathetic media exposure...so I'm not sure the A's would go for it.
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[Cagney]

IMO, they eat up the attention. I think CA is as bad if not worse then Casey as enjoying the attention.

 

[YellowDog]

Or tell the Anthonys to use common sense and not make the situation worse by intentionally engaging or otherwise doing things they know will result in a confrontation and further unnecessary use of law enforcement resources.

Should they not be allowed in their own yard at all?

As evidenced by Cindy's coming out at midnight to hammer on the stakes and play with the tape, as well as confronting and chasing a protester to her car, she just can't stand not saying something to people, even though she knows what the result will likely be. She really hates not having control over things like she's used to having, IMO, and just can't seem to help herself. Some restraint and common sense on her part is in order here if she truly wants things to be more peaceful.

In fact, I think if she would've ignored the protesters from the beginning instead of trying to engage/confront them at every opportunity, this wouldn't be happening. People like the protesters who are bullyish don't have much fun when their target doesn't seem to be affected by their behavior, and they generally move on when they don't get the reaction they want. The peaceful protesters are not a problem.

How do you ignore people around your house 24/7?

I think the best solution of all would be for the Anthonys to make it a condition of Casey's staying in their home that she must tell them where precious little Caylee is OR go back to jail -- especially if they really believe the child is alive as they claim to believe.

If the police interrogators who are specialists in questioning people can't get it out of her, how are her parents supposed to accomplish this?

 

[ZooMomology]

(Handing you a blow dryer to unfrost your shorts) I agree to pull officers from higher crime areas to post at the A home is beyond ridiculous, but they have to do what they have to do. LE has to be proactive for the neighbors in this situation, imo. Legally, they are getting a raw deal trying to save their neighborhood and lifestyles. I feel sorry for them getting all caught up in this with no recourse against the A fam or the law. The neighbors aren't harboring a person of interest in the disappearance of a child, but it seems they are being held "hostage" just the same.

I see that MN has decided to do the "right thing" and move the vigil. Haven't we been saying this for weeks now?! They don't need a high priced criminal attorney to tell them it is foolish to hold that vigil in their driveway because it only encourages drama. Sheesh!

I am having a blonde day, who is MN?

 

[ZooMomology]

If the police interrogators who are specialists in questioning people can't get it out of her, how are her parents supposed to accomplish this?

Well, I can't say that it would work or not but not bailing her butt out might have worked. Eitehr way, if it didn't work, she would be where she belonged.

 

[Sherbie]

IMO, they eat up the attention. I think CA is as bad if not worse then Casey as enjoying the attention.

I have to agree with you on that, Cagney. I noticed in her early interviews that she often made herself the topic of conversation -- I remember her telling Greta one night that she was tired, did Greta want to be the cause of her passing out, blah blah. She is definitely self-centered, IMO. She bullied the media and, as we saw in the police interview, even tried to control her own questioning.

I believe she just can't stand not being able to direct the way things go with this situation. Because of that, Cindy made things horrible for her family by speaking constantly early on and saying some bizarre things. It seems she felt she had to try to rebut or refute anything negative whatsoever about Casey, no matter how implausible her explanations. Sometimes you just can't defend the obvious or the indefensible. They would have been so much better off if she'd just have stuck with a "no comment" policy (other than asking for help to find Caylee, of course).

I guess it's not all that bad for us that she couldn't stop running her mouth -- at least we found out that she's willing to state "mistruths" in order to defend Casey. So we can each judge now whether to believe anything else she might say or to take every word she utters with a grain of salt. Heck, we might have been willing to swallow any halfway plausible claims from her if we hadn't gotten a glimpse of how she's willing to pervert the truth for her own agenda.

So...for them, bad; for us, a window into her character. I really do think had she not tried to fool the public that she wouldn't have those protesters out there now (at least not to the same extent, anyway). I still feel so sorry for them over Caylee because, regardless all else, I know they loved her immeasurably. But they (Cindy, especially) have really made a mess of things for themselves as far as public perception goes.

 

[YellowDog]

Well, I can't say that it would work or not but not bailing her butt out might have worked. Eitehr way, if it didn't work, she would be where she belonged.

I was under the impression that someone else bailed her out. I don't believe her parents have that kind of money lying around. I thought their responsibilities were to give her shelter and see that she reports when ordered by the court to appear.

 

[Law_girl41]

I have to agree with you on that, Cagney. I noticed in her early interviews that she often made herself the topic of conversation -- I remember her telling Greta one night that she was tired, did Greta want to be the cause of her passing out, blah blah. She is definitely self-centered, IMO. She bullied the media and, as we saw in the police interview, even tried to control her own questioning.

I believe she just can't stand not being able to direct the way things go with this situation. Because of that, Cindy made things horrible for her family by speaking constantly early on and saying some bizarre things. It seems she felt she had to try to rebut or refute anything negative whatsoever about Casey, no matter how implausible her explanations. Sometimes you just can't defend the obvious or the indefensible. They would have been so much better off if she'd just have stuck with a "no comment" policy (other than asking for help to find Caylee, of course).

I guess it's not all that bad for us that she couldn't stop running her mouth -- at least we found out that she's willing to state "mistruths" in order to defend Casey. So we can each judge now whether to believe anything else she might say or to take every word she utters with a grain of salt. Heck, we might have been willing to swallow any halfway plausible claims from her if we hadn't gotten a glimpse of how she's willing to pervert the truth for her own agenda.
So...for them, bad; for us, a window into her character. I really do think had she not tried to fool the public that she wouldn't have those protesters out there now (at least not to the same extent, anyway). I still feel so sorry for them over Caylee because, regardless all else, I know they loved her immeasurably. But they (Cindy, especially) have really made a mess of things for themselves as far as public perception goes.

Sherbie, you've really gotten a handle on how you preceive this person! :clap: I 100% have the same thoughts and perceptions on everything I bolded! Thats what irks me about this case the most. You think like I do regarding her actions!!

* imo, the fact that they are willing to move the vigil to a church, gives me a little pause :waitasec:, I was wondering if maybe this community meeting is the beginning of people stepping up and claiming whats right (Good for them!), the HOA not favoring this vigil in the driveway was spot on, that told me that the majority of the A's neighbors are also claiming they are part of the problem, not just the protestors- (seems they equally put blame- and are saying we want to claim our neighborhood back!). For her to bend on it and change venues, it telling me- she won't fight her HOA. She won't look that stupid.

 

[Sherbie]

If the police interrogators who are specialists in questioning people can't get it out of her, how are her parents supposed to accomplish this?

Well, Casey has had a taste of jail. I don't think she wants to go back, do you? If her parents gave her an ultimatum, she might tell them where Caylee is, even if she might not tell them what happened to her. If she knew her parents were serious about sending her back unless she tells them where Caylee is, she might be willing to give up that info to them to avoid going back. If not, they should come off the bond and send her back to jail.

If my son had a child and the child were missing for over a month without the son mentioning a word, and if he failed when asked by his parents and LE to tell us where my grandchild was, I can't imagine letting him come stay in my home. Never. Don't even have to consider it. It just wouldn't happen unless he told me the whereabouts of my darling grandbaby. If he wouldn't tell me or LE, he would NOT be allowed to stay in my home. I would revoke the bond and tell him if he changed his mind and wanted to tell me, to let me know. Until then, I don't want to see him or hear from him whatsoever...he's on his own.

I would love him no matter what -- but I certainly wouldn't condone his "losing" my grandchild and refusing to tell anyone where the baby was by spending a fortune I didn't have to get him out of jail so he could sit at home and be comfy while my grandbaby was God only knows where in God only knows what condition. No way. But that's just me.

I know Casey has a right to bail -- I believe in the system -- but I am very disappointed and disgusted that her parents are condoning and enabling her despicable behavior where Caylee is concerned by allowing her to stay with them without so much as lifting a finger or uttering a single truthful word to help find that little angel.

I really think that is the reason most of the protesters are so upset with George and Cindy...not that they took advantage of posting bail, but that they are allowing Casey to sit there and lie and do nothing to help find their grandbaby. Let's face it, the only reason she made bail was because of the high profile nature of this case. You think LP would have bailed her out if she were some Jane Doe with little to no visbility in the media? And I believe her parents wouldn't have bailed her out either since they previously did not have the funds. I guess the judge wasn't counting on outsiders pouring big money into the coffers when he set the bail amount.

Anyway, please know that I am not trying to argue with you...I apologize if it came across that way. I just can't bear the thought of Caylee out there somewhere, her little body rotting away, while Casey sits in that house watching TV, playing on computers, painting her nails, eating, sleeping in a comfy bed...and I can't bear the thought that her parents are enabling that instead of at least trying everything they possibly can to force her to tell the truth -- and threatening to send her back to jail and following through with it is something they CAN do for Caylee.

Sorry...this is just getting to me. It's why I haven't posted much lately. I am just fed up with that family's nonsense. I'm heartbroken for them, but you know what? Little Caylee deserves their undivided loyalty and she deserves justice, regardless whether she's alive or dead. Cindy, of all people, should be on Caylee's side...fighting with every ounce of her being to bring her home...instead of catering to, housing and defending Casey. JMO.

 

[ZooMomology]

I was under the impression that someone else bailed her out. I don't believe her parents have that kind of money lying around. I thought their responsibilities were to give her shelter and see that she reports when ordered by the court to appear.

They accept an "anonymous" donation to bail their daughter out. They didn't have to accept it, and now that they see she is not helping to locate their grand-daughter, they could say, no thanks.

 

[shannon718]

Well, I can't say that it would work or not but not bailing her butt out might have worked. Eitehr way, if it didn't work, she would be where she belonged.

:clap:

They are enablers beyond belief. It's enough!

 

[YellowDog]

Well, Casey has had a taste of jail. I don't think she wants to go back, do you? If her parents gave her an ultimatum, she might tell them where Caylee is, even if she might not tell them what happened to her. If she knew her parents were serious about sending her back unless she tells them where Caylee is, she might be willing to give up that info to them to avoid going back. If not, they should come off the bond and send her back to jail.

If my son had a child and the child were missing for over a month without the son mentioning a word, and if he failed when asked by his parents and LE to tell us where my grandchild was, I can't imagine letting him come stay in my home. Never. Don't even have to consider it. It just wouldn't happen unless he told me the whereabouts of my darling grandbaby. If he wouldn't tell me or LE, he would NOT be allowed to stay in my home. I would revoke the bond and tell him if he changed his mind and wanted to tell me, to let me know. Until then, I don't want to see him or hear from him whatsoever...he's on his own.

I would love him no matter what -- but I certainly wouldn't condone his "losing" my grandchild and refusing to tell anyone where the baby was by spending a fortune I didn't have to get him out of jail so he could sit at home and be comfy while my grandbaby was God only knows where in God only knows what condition. No way. But that's just me.

I know Casey has a right to bail -- I believe in the system -- but I am very disappointed and disgusted that her parents are condoning and enabling her despicable behavior where Caylee is concerned by allowing her to stay with them without so much as lifting a finger or uttering a single truthful word to help find that little angel.

I really think that is the reason most of the protesters are so upset with George and Cindy...not that they took advantage of posting bail, but that they are allowing Casey to sit there and lie and do nothing to help find their grandbaby. Let's face it, the only reason she made bail was because of the high profile nature of this case. You think LP would have bailed her out if she were some Jane Doe with little to no visbility in the media? And I believe her parents wouldn't have bailed her out either since they previously did not have the funds. I guess the judge wasn't counting on outsiders pouring big money into the coffers when he set the bail amount.

Anyway, please know that I am not trying to argue with you...I apologize if it came across that way. I just can't bear the thought of Caylee out there somewhere, her little body rotting away, while Casey sits in that house watching TV, playing on computers, painting her nails, eating, sleeping in a comfy bed...and I can't bear the thought that her parents are enabling that instead of at least trying everything they possibly can to force her to tell the truth -- and threatening to send her back to jail and following through with it is something they CAN do for Caylee.

Sorry...this is just getting to me. It's why I haven't posted much lately. I am just fed up with that family's nonsense. I'm heartbroken for them, but you know what? Little Caylee deserves their undivided loyalty and she deserves justice, regardless whether she's alive or dead. Cindy, of all people, should be on Caylee's side...fighting with every ounce of her being to bring her home...instead of catering to, housing and defending Casey. JMO.

I imagine her parents have given her several ultimatums to no avail. I personally choose not to judge someone unless I've walked in their shoes.
We don't know what goes on behind closed door with that family nor do we know everything they and the police know.

 

[Sherbie]

I imagine her parents have given her several ultimatums to no avail. I personally choose not to judge someone unless I've walked in their shoes.
We don't know what goes on behind closed door with that family nor do we know everything they and the police know.

I do realize that, YellowDog...honestly, I truly do. However, obviously one ultimatum the parents have not given Casey is that they will send her back to jail if she doesn't tell them what happened to Caylee or at least where she is. Otherwise, either Caylee would have been found or Casey would be in jail if they followed through with the threat of sending her back.

I was a defender of the parents for quite a while, despite the fact I knew they were telling stories. I never believed the kidnapping stories, but I thought perhaps they were bending over backwards, swallowing their pride and saying just absolutely anything they could to be sure it got back to Casey just how much they were on her side and believed in her, hoping she'd give them something to work with in finding Caylee. I thought maybe even LE had told them to do that. Then I thought it was just denial that drove them.

But it's become clear to me that they were saying one thing to LE and another to the public -- trying to mislead both -- even outright lying about some things. I believe they now know that Caylee is no longer alive, but if they ever publicly admit that, then they've lost Casey, too...I can't imagine what they're going through and I feel so sorry for them because of it.

However, I still maintain that the most innocent and deserving soul of all in this situation is Caylee...and she needs her grandparents to do the right thing for HER, even if it costs them Casey. That's so sad...and it shouldn't be that way...but Casey made it that way. Not Caylee.

Perhaps they know she's gone and figure that there's nothing they can do to help her now, so they've got to help Casey. I am fine with their wanting to support their daughter....but not with their doing so while Casey still refuses to help anyone find Caylee. Like I said, I would love my son no matter what sort of horrible thing he might ever do. I would never stop loving him. But I would not harbor and defend him and support him until he told the truth. At that point, I would do everything in my power to help him face whatever might be ahead.

I feel certain that if it were one of Casey's friends who had taken and harmed Caylee, Cindy and George would not be very understanding of that person sitting in their own house enjoying the comforts of home without telling where Caylee was or what happened to her. They would want that person in jail (and I'm sure they would be since the case wouldn't be as sensational and no famous BH or organization would want to make their bond).

I just believe that Caylee deserves the same degree of support and opportunity for justice regardless who harmed her. I don't have to walk a mile in their shoes to know that Caylee deserves to be found more than Casey deserves to sit at home with nothing hanging over her head to force her to tell the truth.

Thanks for your perspective, YellowDog. I will just have to agree to disagree with you. I really wish I could feel about these parents the way I've felt about families of other missing children...but because of their own actions and statements, I just can't. I still feel just as heartbroken for them where Caylee is concerned, but I can't get on board in supporting their helping make things easier and better for Casey without Casey's telling them the truth about their granddaughter.

I will say, though, that I would never participate in the type of protesting that has been going on outside that home, even if I had a legal "right" to do so. But George and Cindy don't help matters by putting themselves in situations they know will result in drama. I think when that happens it just proves to Casey all the more that her parents will do anything and endure anything to defend and support her, no matter what. It reinforces their enabling of her and makes it less likely the truth will come out. So I want the protesters to go away for that reason.

Sorry y'all...I'll back away from the keyboard now. :blowkiss:

 

[YellowDog]

I do realize that, YellowDog...honestly, I truly do. However, obviously one ultimatum the parents have not given Casey is that they will send her back to jail if she doesn't tell them what happened to Caylee or at least where she is. Otherwise, either Caylee would have been found or Casey would be in jail if they followed through with the threat of sending her back.

How could you possibly know that?

I was a defender of the parents for quite a while, despite the fact I knew they were telling stories. I never believed the kidnapping stories, but I thought perhaps they were bending over backwards, swallowing their pride and saying just absolutely anything they could to be sure it got back to Casey just how much they were on her side and believed in her, hoping she'd give them something to work with in finding Caylee. I thought maybe even LE had told them to do that. Then I thought it was just denial that drove them.

I think they just desperately wanted to believe Casey and were giving her the benefit of the doubt.

But it's become clear to me that they were saying one thing to LE and another to the public -- trying to mislead both -- even outright lying about some things. I believe they now know that Caylee is no longer alive, but if they ever publicly admit that, then they've lost Casey, too...I can't imagine what they're going through and I feel so sorry for them because of it.

Perhaps they just became confused. I couldn't possibly remember everything that happend in my life and at the exact time it happened for the past 3 months. Maybe they are having a difficult time reconstructing the dates, etc.

However, I still maintain that the most innocent and deserving soul of all in this situation is Caylee...and she needs her grandparents to do the right thing for HER, even if it costs them Casey. That's so sad...and it shouldn't be that way...but Casey made it that way. Not Caylee.

I believe her grandparents have always tried to do the right thing for her.

Perhaps they know she's gone and figure that there's nothing they can do to help her now, so they've got to help Casey. I am fine with their wanting to support their daughter....but not with their doing so while Casey still refuses to help anyone find Caylee. Like I said, I would love my son no matter what sort of horrible thing he might ever do. I would never stop loving him. But I would not harbor and defend him and support him until he told the truth. At that point, I would do everything in my power to help him face whatever might be ahead.

The are probably vascillating between a shred of hope and total dispair at this point would be my guess.

I feel certain that if it were one of Casey's friends who had taken and harmed Caylee, Cindy and George would not be very understanding of that person sitting in their own house enjoying the comforts of home without telling where Caylee was or what happened to her. They would want that person in jail (and I'm sure they would be since the case wouldn't be as sensational and no famous BH or organization would want to make their bond).

In reality, Casey is in jail. She can't run around and do the things she did before. She has to be accountable for every minute of the day and night.

I just believe that Caylee deserves the same degree of support and opportunity for justice regardless who harmed her. I don't have to walk a mile in their shoes to know that Caylee deserves to be found more than Casey deserves to sit at home with nothing hanging over her head to force her to tell the truth.

Nothing hanging over her head???? How about life in prison or the death penalty?

Thanks for your perspective, YellowDog. I will just have to agree to disagree with you. I really wish I could feel about these parents the way I've felt about families of other missing children...but because of their own actions and statements, I just can't. I still feel just as heartbroken for them where Caylee is concerned, but I can't get on board in supporting their helping make things easier and better for Casey without Casey's telling them the truth about their granddaughter.

I feel extremely sad for these parents. They didn't ask for this to happen and their lives will NEVER be the same. There is no question in my mind that they love their grandchild and have been extremely good to her.

I will say, though, that I would never participate in the type of protesting that has been going on outside that home, even if I had a legal "right" to do so. But George and Cindy don't help matters by putting themselves in situations they know will result in drama. I think when that happens it just proves to Casey all the more that her parents will do anything and endure anything to defend and support her, no matter what. It reinforces their enabling of her and makes it less likely the truth will come out. So I want the protesters to go away for that reason.

Sorry y'all...I'll back away from the keyboard now. :blowkiss:

How would you feel about this case if Casey really doesn't know where her child is?

 

[capoly]

How would you feel about this case if Casey really doesn't know where her child is?

My feelings wouldn't change one iota. Casey Anthony claims to have handed her 2 yo child over to a nanny that she apparently knew zilch about. She supposedly knew from day 1 of this fiasco that her daughter was missing yet did not seek help in finding her 2 yo defenseless child.

IMO With the present charges being what they are, I don't see why Casey knowing or not knowing Caylee's whereabouts would change anyone's feelings. Even were Caylee alive and being cared for by the best of people, such prolonged separation from her family and home will be traumatic for her.

I feel the same way about this case as I did with the Madeleine Mccann case...the parent(s) actions, or lack of, were to the detriment of the child.

 

[ZooMomology]

How would you feel about this case if Casey really doesn't know where her child is?

She knows where her child is.

Let's say maybe she didn't know, would you be acting the way she is, all smiley, no tears, eating, drinking, surfing the net. High-fiving her brother on her way into see her home confinement person. She knows where her child is.

 

[hinkymeter]

How would you feel about this case if Casey really doesn't know where her child is?

Probably about the same as if monkeys flew out of my butt.

 

[YellowDog]

Probably about the same as if monkeys flew out of my butt.

That would be an entertaining sight to say the least.

 

[YellowDog]

She knows where her child is.

Let's say maybe she didn't know, would you be acting the way she is, all smiley, no tears, eating, drinking, surfing the net. High-fiving her brother on her way into see her home confinement person. She knows where her child is.

No, but then that's not my lifestyle. I must admit her grieving pattern is like nothing I've ever seen.

If, however, someone else is responsible, she may really not know where the child is.