Found Deceased PA - John Kohlbecker, 27, Philadelphia, 11 February 2016

Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by MamaJoJo, Feb 15, 2016.

  1. TMAN2014

    TMAN2014 Well-Known Member

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    Especially on a weekday.

    Why do to there to go to a supermarket? Why not go closer to home? Do they sell anything special at the NJ store?
     


  2. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    It's all so perplexing.
     
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    pappa rob New Member

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  4. Mollyandme

    Mollyandme Well-Known Member

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    Yea it makes no sense why that location, unless he did go camping or visited there during warmer months and went there for some emotional reason. Or if he met up with someone who had ill intentions and placed his car there.
     
  5. Mollyandme

    Mollyandme Well-Known Member

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    I'm confused because this article states that police believe the clothes found by the Mullica River are John's. I'm not sure if this is misreporting or not but here's the article:

    http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/...9ec-d437-11e5-86ae-f36902731462.html?mode=jqm

    Also, I found this bulletin on New Jersey State Police protocol on handling missing persons cases. It details the protocols for adults and children. I know some previous articles and the original alert sent out from NJSP said he was "at risk." Starting on page 2 of the link below they discuss the different ways to categorize a missing persons case, they have a category for "high risk" but not "at risk." Maybe this is just semantics but I found the whole link interesting and worth a read.

    The link also discusses basic investigative things that must be done and what info on the missing person should be obtained. It also discusses the databases the missing person should be entered into. I checked all of them for adults in NJ that the public could have access to and checked PA as well and there's nothing. Here's the link:

    http://www.njsp.org/divorg/invest/pdf/mpi-best-practices-protocol-103008.pdf
     
  6. nottooimpressed

    nottooimpressed New Member

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    I've been checking on this thread now and again and have gotten progressively more annoyed.(modsnip)
     
  7. Mollyandme

    Mollyandme Well-Known Member

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    the Police are advised to utilze the media to assist in search efforts when they find it necessary. The lack of any news update tells me that they don't need the media to get more information out at this time. If they felt the investigation would benefit from utilizing the media, I would think they would do so. Currently, that doesn't seem to be the case. As long as the family is kept informed that's what matters.
     
  8. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    :welcome: nottooimpressed

    I'm glad to hear you say that the family is being kept apprised by LE. If they are accepting of how LE is handling John's case, then that makes me feel more at ease. Often times families get frustrated with the lack of communication. Glad that's not the case here.

    I think I can speak collectively and say that all we wish is for John to make it back home safe and sound.
     
  9. nottooimpressed

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    @MamaJoJo Thanks for the welcome. Law enforcement has been nothing but communicative and respectful in my interactions with them. As I said in my censored comment, it's totally fine and warranted to feel upset, but it's disrespectful to post personal info and further counterproductive to post second- or third-hand inaccurate descriptions of lifestyle.
     
  10. TMAN2014

    TMAN2014 Well-Known Member

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    I think everyone here has good intentions, and concern for the victim. This forum is a vehicle to keep the story in the news, and try to figure out what happened.
     
  11. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    BBM Above --- good question, but would he go exploring alone?

    Out there at Wharton State Forest there IS a monument that is said to be haunted FWIW...

    Carranza Monument: http://weirdnj.com/stories/mystery-history/carranza/
    Shown on this map: http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/maps/WhartonAreaMapFinal_reduced.pdf

    I do wonder where & when exactly his car was located?

    ETA: if u scroll down at the first link I posted, its mentioned there is a Juvie Dentention Center on the road to the monument --- it's a Juvenile Bootcamp: http://wikimapia.org/681318/Wharton-Tract-Juvenile-Bootcamp

    ETA2: http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.co...icle_fbd907c6-5ae0-519a-bd75-36021d4ba0eb.htm
     
  12. Bethan

    Bethan Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to Websleuths nottooimpressed!
    It's good to have your input.
    We are all hoping John turns up safe and well.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  13. ScarletSnake44

    ScarletSnake44 New Member

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    I think I posted to much. Didn't intend to hurt anyone in any way. I just wanted to make posts that showed John was a good person and not a threat to anyone. My intentions were only good and came from the heart. I didn't mean to upset or hurt anyone or make posts that were harmful. This site has helped with missing person cases. My intention was if someone saw the post they would contact the authorities if they had information or saw John in NJ.
    I kind of went into panic mode when I saw posts online that were not nice about John and this was may way of coping with the situation. I also had hopes that if the time came for funding people would already be familiar with the case and may help out with search efforts.
    My intention is not to cause a family feud or to cause hardship with friends. I will be taking a back seat and not post anymore and please accept my apology. If there is anything I can do to help I will. Again sorry if I said to much or anything hurtful. I hope you see this.
     
  14. DontTakeMyFarm

    DontTakeMyFarm New Member

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    God bless you.
     
  15. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    There have already been over 10,000 views on John's thread here at WS. That's good.

    The nature of WS is calculated guessing, IMO. We only have so many facts to go on so there is always going to be an amount of speculation involved. Sometimes people are an open book, sometimes they are more private. Sometimes family or friends join in the discussion, sometimes we, here, are always on the outside. Generally, people who post on this site are here to help, are curious and have a genuine desire for the situation to be resolved.

    Stop apologizing, Scarlet. You are sharing your truth. Tensions are always going to be high for those close to a situation like this where a loved one, a friend, is missing. The only way for the "speculation" to be quelled is for someone close to the case to become a verified insider. Maybe someone will go through the process but I totally understand why someone wouldn't. It sure helps, though, with getting the facts straight and with keeping John's story in the media. A family spokesperson is helpful; someone media savvy, someone who has the family's ear but can remain a bit detached. It's emotional stuff.

    I will say this...any fighting or name calling only helps in shutting down a thread. And, I don't mean from the mods. Sure they vigilantly delete inappropriate posts (Go mods!) but other posters and people who read the thread lose interest pretty quickly if it gets nasty or if people feel they are getting shut down. Just an observation. Take it for whatever you feel it's worth.

    Here is information about the process of becoming a verified insider...

    Find your way home, John. Lots of people are concerned and want you back safe.
     
  16. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    That is a very good point - in terms of minors getting a lot more attn. Cause as I have learned (Zach got me aware) it is amazing how many of these there are.

    And I have found it confusing that is seems like "these" cases seem to have anout t three day news cycle and then poof.

    But your mention of minors is valid - maybe that is where I go t the impression that these stories are covered more than adults and understandably so , I guess!
     
  17. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    Just a little :bump: for John.

    Where are you?
     
  18. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    I'm not seeing anything new through MSM. Yes, people go missing all of the time. Some because they want to and some because they don't. Which is it for John?

    Where could he have gone?

    The weekend John went missing was mercilessly cold and windy. Is it feasible to consider that he went down to Green Bank to ultimately go camping in the Wharton State Forest that weekend? You all have mentioned that you fondly remember hanging out in the woods with him when you were younger. Did he still like the wilderness as an adult? If so, did he have a camping buddy or did he prefer to go solo? Could he be somewhere in the forest, now? What if he went out there that weekend, hiked out into the forest but underestimated how freaking cold it turned out to be and succumbed to the elements?

    How do the clothes found by the river (if his) factor into his disappearance? You would think that if he was experiencing hypothermia (people shed their clothes because they feel super hot) that he wouldn't have been by the river at that point or he would have just gotten in his car and turned the engine on. Was the car operational? We still don't know the answer to that question, do we?

    What were the clothes stained with? I'm trying to think of a scenario where John would be without his clothes in sub freezing weather. Did he bring additional clothes with him? Did the abandonment of the clothes make him naked or were there just one or two pieces found?

    I'm also wondering, like Scarlet, what did John buy at ShopRite? Did he buy tons of stuff or just a few items? Did he buy things like a cooler and a kerosene lamp or was it just some snack food?

    So many questions! The biggest being: where are you, John?!
     
  19. MamaJoJo

    MamaJoJo Where did you go?

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    Looks like John's thread is still getting a lot of views...almost 12,000 now.

    Where is he?

    What are most of you thinking? Give an educated guess or just your hunch.

    Why would the clothing have been left by the river's edge? I can't seem to wrap my head around a scenario that makes sense. Nothing is strongly indicating to me one direction or another. Foul play or self-directed missing?

    For foul play, there could be SO many possibilities as to why or how. No reason to speculate much, IMO, until we have more to go on. Is there more to go on? What in the world is the nature of the stain on his clothes? If blood, how much was present and was it concentrated in one particular spot on a clothing item or was it all over? Had the clothes been "washed" in the river, maybe to try and get the stain out?

    Again, lots of questions with little to no answers. Where are you, John? Find your way home.
     
  20. elmomom

    elmomom Well-Known Member

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