Found Deceased PA - Karl F. Messerschmidt, 46 - Lancaster County - Friday, 15 Mar 2019

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  1. Richrd

    Richrd Five Year Member

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    Middle Creek Wildlife Management Area

    Pennsylvania
    Clay Township >> Lancaster County
    Name Withheld
    Friday, 15 Mar 2019

    Name Withheld
    Male / in His 40s
    Vehicle Left Behind

    Clay Township, Lancaster County is in South-Eastern, PA
    Day Six

    1)) Reading Eagle©:

    Man remains missing 2 days after his car was found at Middle Creek Wildlife Area

    2)) Northern Lancaster Regional Police Department:
    Northern Lancaster County Regional Police Department
    (Two Announcements)

    3)) Lancaster Newspapers:
    Second day of search at Middle Creek game lands for man thought to be missing ends; limited search planned [updated]

    4)) Middle Creek Search & Rescue:
    MIDSAR - Middle Creek Search & Rescue

    5)) Trailing Dog Article:
    http://www.bck9sar.com/files/Tracking_vs_Trailing.pdf

    6)) Pennsylvania Missing and Unidentified©:
    Pennsylvania Missing Persons

    7)) Others Missing in Pennsylvania:

    Missing Persons Discussion

    BOLO = Be On the Look-Out
    K-9 = Canine / Certified Search Dog
    MEPA = Missing Endangered Person Advisory
    PGC = Pennsylvania Game Commission
    SAR = Search and Rescue
    UmA = Un-manned Aircraft - Drones

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  2. TatianaBarbie

    TatianaBarbie Well-Known Member

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    It seems a bit unusual not to release the name of a missing person, especially after 2 days of searching.
     
  3. Quill

    Quill Well-Known Member

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    I thought the same. Can anyone here shed some light on maybe why this would be done based on past experience? Anyone here remember a case where this was done before?

    I once lived in Lancaster Co. When I lived there many years ago, there was a horrible murder of several members of one family by another juvenile family member. The family was a very prominent one and the whole thing was kept under wraps and no information was ever given. Everything was handled in private. I still wonder about it. I only bring this up now because this situation reminded me of that. Protecting privacy can be a good thing but I'm not sure I understand how it helps a missing person. :confused:
     
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    Richrd Five Year Member

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    Why The Secrecy We Ask?
    One of Many Possibilities:
    1)) Our Missing Man is a Mental Health Patient / Candidate

    1A)) Federal Medical Privacy Regulations safeguard lots of information.
    1B)) His Loved Ones are encouraging a Voluntary Mental Health Commitment, known as a 201, rather than an IN-Voluntary 302,
    which is much more difficult to obtain.
    1C)) https://namibuckspa.org/resources/inpatient-hospitalization/

    Now, Let's Reply, and add Your 2)), 3)), 4)) etc.
     
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  5. Quill

    Quill Well-Known Member

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    Those things are all understandable but it still doesn't help in finding the missing person if no one knows who to look for.
     
  6. Plo_Koon

    Plo_Koon Well-Known Member

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    Exactly what I was thinking. Is it meant to be an appeal to the public to BOLO for this person? If so, I am super confused. Or is it meant as more of just a public service announcement? I live somewhat near Lancaster County so it piqued my interest.
     
  7. Quill

    Quill Well-Known Member

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    Do you know what area Clay Township is next to? I am drawing a blank as to exactly where that is. Its been over 20 years since I lived there, but I was in and out of most school districts in the county either as a college student, sub or teacher but I can't remember Clay.
     
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    Plo_Koon Well-Known Member

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    It's almost directly north a little bit from the city of Lancaster. I believe right around Ephrata. My ex used to work to work in Ephrata and I would drive up there from Delaware to spend time with her. I THINK I used to just take the blue route/PA turnpike to get there.
     
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    Ah, okay. That would explain it. That's not area I was familiar with. Thanks for the reply!
     
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    Update: Search being called off for man reported missing in Middle Creek Wildlife Area, police say

     
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    Richrd Five Year Member

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    Still-Missing :: Endangered :: Now-Identified

    Pennsylvania
    Clay Township >> Lancaster County
    Karl F. Messersmith
    Friday, 15 Mar 2019

    Karl F. Messersmith
    White / Male / 46 Years Old
    5 ' 10" :: 275 Lbs.
    Hazel Eyes with Glasses :: Short Receding Brown Hair​

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    Clay Township, Lancaster County is in South-Eastern, PA
    Day Nine

    8)) WHP CBS-21:

    MISSING MAN | Police continue to search for Clay Township man

    9)) Northern Lancaster Regional Police Department:
    Northern Lancaster County Regional Police Department
    (Updated)

    10)) Google Supplements & Updates:
    Karl F. Messersmith, 46 - Missing - PA - Google Search

    11)) Middle Creek Search & Rescue:
    MIDSAR - Middle Creek Search & Rescue

    12)) Trailing Dog Article:
    http://www.bck9sar.com/files/Tracking_vs_Trailing.pdf

    14)) Pennsylvania Missing and Unidentified©:
    Pennsylvania Missing Persons

    15)) Others Missing in Pennsylvania:

    Missing Persons Discussion

    201 = Voluntary Mental Health Commitment
    ATV = All-Terrain Vehicle
    BOLO = Be On the Look-Out
    CLEAN = Commonwealth Law Enforcement Assistance Network
    EMS = Emergency Medical Services
    K-9 = Canine / Certified Search Dog
    MEPA = Missing Endangered Person Advisory
    NCIC = National Crime Information Center
    PGC = Pennsylvania Game Commission
    SAR = Search and Rescue
    SGL = State Game Lands
    UCR = Uniform Crime Reporting Program
    UmA = Un-manned Aircraft - Drones

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    From @Richrd 's wonderful link to the North Lancaster County Regional Police Department:


    Sourced via CRIMEWATCH®: NEWS POST: Update – Missing Person Investigation – Clay Township
     
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    Are you talking about Alec Kreider? A Teenage Suspect in a Triple Murder
     
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    sasha17 Curiouser & curiouser

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    The missing man's car was found in very close proximity to where Ashley Kline's burned body was found in 2014. I thought of that young lady from Robesonia, as soon as I saw the location of this man's found Jeep. Lots of wooded area around there to search for a body.
     
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    No. The one I am thinking of happened back in the very early 90's.

    I need to correct my own statement from earlier, as well. I was on my way out of town when I made that post and I have now researched it. It was very hush-hush at the time and nothing much was in the papers after the arrest. But he was a juvenile and that probably played into that. Anyway, I have found msm that indicates he was indeed convicted. Looking back, I had likely moved from that state before it ever went to trial, hence my very faulty memory. I'll blame lack of internet in that era on my lack of info.
     
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    A body was found this morning very close to the area where this gentleman's car was found. They have not released a name yet, but indicated he had been shot.I also want to note that each news article I have read regarding this person, has spelled his last name Messersmith. I believe the correct spelling is Messerschmidt.
     
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    Here is a note about his last name
    NEWS POST: Missing Person-Last Name Spelling Correction
     
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  19. Plo_Koon

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    DBM, answered my own question.
     
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    sasha17 Curiouser & curiouser

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    "The body of a man who went missing in Middle Creek Wildlife Management Area nearly two weeks ago was found on Saturday... Karl F. Messerschmidt, 46, of Myerstown, was found dead from a single gunshot wound, which Diamantoni said he believed to be a suicide."

    Missing man found dead at Middle Creek: coroner
     
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