PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #7

[PommyMommy]

DEC 5, 2022

https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/nine-years-dateline-s-missing-america-188-still-missing-n1301708

Kortne Stouffer

Kortne Stouffer was 21 years old on July 28, 2012 when she disappeared. She had the night off from work and went to a bar with friends. The group ended the night at Kortne’s apartment in Palmyra, Pennsylvania. According to Sergeant Mike Dipalo of the Lebanon County District Attorney's Office, police responded to a call from the apartment around 3:30 a.m. on the morning of July 29 after a report of conflict with the neighbors. Police told everyone to go back to their own homes and go to sleep. The next morning, Kortne’s friends discovered she was gone. Kortne had plans to go to the fair with family that day, but when she didn’t show up, they reported her missing. Authorities conducted interviews with the people who last saw Kortne, but nothing brought them closer to finding her. After three years of investigating and no leads in Kortne’s disappearance, her family’s attorney connected them with private investigator Leah Hopewell. Hopewell (formerly Jennings) said that while she spoke with people who were with Kortne shortly before she disappeared, nothing led to Kortne. The family maintains the ‘Kortne Stouffer – Remember Me’ Facebook page to post updates and memories of Kortne. Kortne has a tattoo on her right arm that reads "One Love," a tattoo of three stars on the top of her right foot, and a tattoo on her left side of a pistol shooting flowers. She would be 31 years old today. The family is offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to Kortne’s whereabouts. In November 2022, the FBI told Dateline in an email that Kortne is still missing and that the Lebanon County Detective Bureau is the lead agency. If you have any information on Kortne’s disappearance, please call the Lebanon County Detective Bureau at (717) 228-4403. You can also submit a tip anonymously online at https://tips.fbi.gov/.

 

[eagle5516]

Sooo ... I just read that Bryan Kohberger is being investigated for unsolved crimes in Pennsylvania. Here's a Newsweek article:

Bryan Kohberger investigated for possible connection to cold cases

Kohberger, 28, was arrested on December 30 in Pennsylvania and charged with four counts of first-degree murder in Idaho.

www.newsweek.com

It's a huge stretch, and he would only have been 18 at the time, but he is from PA (Northampton County, most recently - which is at least in the same Eastern half of the state) and then there's the other possible thing in common - heroin. The information out there is that Bryan was addicted to heroin in HS and in his early 20s I guess. And we know Kortne was involved in drugs. I don't have any personal knowledge that she was on or involved with H, but others on this forum, most recently Ghost I believe, have said as much.

It's reasonable to think that Bryan's quadruple murder wasn't his first, but disappearing someone completely at 18 without being caught is a stretch I realize.

I'm not putting any money on it, but to the extent that police are looking at him for possibly being involved in unsolved crimes in the state, I wouldn't be shocked if Kortne's disappearance is on the list of crimes for which they'd want to rule him out. Like he was actually away at college at the time, or in rehab, or whatever, cross him off.

Now, you may say that this possibility is only slightly more likely than Aliens given several other far more viable suspects and theories, and I'd say you're right.

But if all this does is get people posting potentially helpful info on this forum again, I'll take that as a win.

 

[eagle5516]

Another thought, has anyone ever heard of "Adventures with Purpose"? They are a group of volunteer divers who have successfully found the bodies of missing persons in bodies of water on multiple occasions.

Adventures with Purpose - YouTube​

https://m.youtube.com › AdventureswithPurpose


My memory of the Memorial Lake search is there was at least one cadaver dog and some underwater cameras. Does anyone recall whether there were actual divers? I don't know what the process is to reach out to these guys, but if there weren't any divers, it might be worth looking into.

 

[dotr]

Another thought, has anyone ever heard of "Adventures with Purpose"? They are a group of volunteer divers who have successfully found the bodies of missing persons in bodies of water on multiple occasions.

Adventures with Purpose - YouTube​

https://m.youtube.com › AdventureswithPurpose


My memory of the Memorial Lake search is there was at least one cadaver dog and some underwater cameras. Does anyone recall whether there were actual divers? I don't know what the process is to reach out to these guys, but if there weren't any divers, it might be worth looking into.

Maybe someone on this thread might know..

PA - Adventures with Purpose recover body and car from the Allegheny River in Pittsburgh’s North Shore

PITTSBURGH — The man whose body was found inside a vehicle that was recovered from the Allegheny River Saturday afternoon has been identified as Tod A. Diminno, 54, of Harmony, the Allegheny County Medical Examiner's office confirmed. Pittsburgh police confirmed to Pittsburgh's Action News 4...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Knox]

Interesting, but I think there is zero chance BK had anything to do with Kortne's disappearance.

I have to go back and refresh my memory on player's names in this case. But there were multiple people she was around that night who most likely disappeared her. Pruett or the neighbor.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=643153876967881

'We need some closure': Kortne Stouffer's family still seeks answers after her 2012 disappearance

As part of our "Unsolved" series, WGAL is looking at cases that are cold but not forgotten.

www.wgal.com

Timeline for the disappearance of Kortne Stouffer

It's been nearly 10 years since anyone has seen Kortne Stouffer.

www.wgal.com

 

[ttcRider]

I use to follow this case so closely. Thanks for bringing it forward again.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Sooo ... I just read that Bryan Kohberger is being investigated for unsolved crimes in Pennsylvania. Here's a Newsweek article:

Bryan Kohberger investigated for possible connection to cold cases

Kohberger, 28, was arrested on December 30 in Pennsylvania and charged with four counts of first-degree murder in Idaho.

www.newsweek.com

It's a huge stretch, and he would only have been 18 at the time, but he is from PA (Northampton County, most recently - which is at least in the same Eastern half of the state) and then there's the other possible thing in common - heroin. The information out there is that Bryan was addicted to heroin in HS and in his early 20s I guess. And we know Kortne was involved in drugs. I don't have any personal knowledge that she was on or involved with H, but others on this forum, most recently Ghost I believe, have said as much.

It's reasonable to think that Bryan's quadruple murder wasn't his first, but disappearing someone completely at 18 without being caught is a stretch I realize.

I'm not putting any money on it, but to the extent that police are looking at him for possibly being involved in unsolved crimes in the state, I wouldn't be shocked if Kortne's disappearance is on the list of crimes for which they'd want to rule him out. Like he was actually away at college at the time, or in rehab, or whatever, cross him off.

Now, you may say that this possibility is only slightly more likely than Aliens given several other far more viable suspects and theories, and I'd say you're right.

But if all this does is get people posting potentially helpful info on this forum again, I'll take that as a win.

If I lived in Northampton County, I would not drive all way to Palmyra for a fix. There are so many closer places to go.

 

[dotr]

KORTNE CIERA STOUFFER - PALMYRA, PENNSYLVANIA | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Palmyra, Pennsylvania July 29, 2012

www.fbi.gov

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Age	21 (at time of incident)
Hair	Blonde - longer than shoulder length
Eyes	Green
Height	5'8"
Weight	115 to 120 pounds
Sex	Female
Race	White
Occupation	Stouffer has worked as a salon/spa worker and a pet groomer.
Scars and Marks	Stouffer has a tattoo on her right arm that reads "One Love," a tattoo on the top of her right foot of three stars, and a tattoo on her left side of a pistol shooting flowers.

Details:​

On Sunday, July 29, 2012, Kortne Ciera Stouffer disappeared without an apparent reason. The last known contact with Stouffer was at 3:30 AM, by the Palmyra Police regarding a disturbance. Foul play is suspected regarding Stouffer's disappearance. For additional information regarding this victim, refer to the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUS) missing person database, case report number MP#17800.

Submit a Tip:​

If you have any information concerning this person, please contact your local FBI office or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate.

 

[dotr]

 

[eagle5516]

If I lived in Northampton County, I would not drive all way to Palmyra for a fix. There are so many closer places to go.

For sure, I hear what you are saying, there isn't really a connection, just a piece or two in common. This was ten years ago though, which is a long time ago in the opiate epidemic, almost a million overdose deaths ago, idk what it was like in Northampton and Palmyra back then for availability, maybe you or someone else does.

The theory wouldn't necessarily be that BK went to Palmyra for a fix, it would be that he targeted her bc he's a murderer and that somehow, someway, their paths crossed in the drug world and he took her. I know it's a stretch.

I wouldn't consider him a suspect, just someone to cross off the list.

My random guesses and personal opinions are (in order of most likely):

1. AB drug debt theory;
2. CP:
3. MR;
4. human trafficking; or
5. Some combination of all the above.

Or, it could have been a more random scenario and none of the above.

The strange thing in these years-long missing persons cases where foul play is involved is it's tempting to say "what are the odds that a serial killer/acquaintance/drug connection/whatever happened to disappear someone right in this specific window of time and no one's found the body/gotten arrested for it/left evidence."

It's a strange and tragic scenario for sure, but we know a decade has gone by and Kortne is gone. So the logical thinking can almost be flipped on its head, from my perspective it's more like "This really low-frequency should-never-have-happened thing happened, so how do we explain it."

It's like that Sherlock Holmes quote (I know he's a fictional character, but I think this holds up):

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

I think it helps put perspective on these really tough missing persons cases. Like in Maura Murray's case, there's like a 2 min window or something when she gets in an accident on a remote highway in NH between when witnesses see her and when she seemingly disappears off the face of the Earth.

It's tempting to say "What are the odds some bad actor took her in those two mins, she wandered off in the woods and her body's never been found, or she left to start a new life and has never been found?" In a vaccuum, almost zero. But in Maura's case, 100% because she's gone and it's got to be one of the above.

I digress, but that case is different because there's a real lack of actual suspects and basically all of the theories sound like conspiracy theories or totally illogical.

Here, we've got more going for us because:

1. We know exactly who she was last seen with;
2. There was recent LE contact;
3. We know that got into conflicts and had certain people threaten her that night; and
4. We know that she was involved in drugs and had people break into her apartment in the weeks leading up to her disappearance once, if not twice. and she and her bf reported that a cash counting machine was stolen.

 

[eagle5516]

Sorry for the long reply, but this case absolutely can be solved, and I believe it will be solved.

It's always possible it's none of the above, I say LE needs to:

1. Assign a brand new lead detective to look at this whole thing from the ground up, re-reviewing every single lead and every single piece of evidence with fresh eyes;
2. Do a full search of Memorial Lake (with multiple divers);
3. Get a warrant do a a cadaver search with a couple of dogs of that Campbelltown property;
4. Re-interview everyone possible;
5. Get someone like Payne Lindsay from Up and Vanished to do a podcast on it; and
6. Re-look at human trafficking scenarios.

 

[Trackergd]

Sorry for the long reply, but this case absolutely can be solved, and I believe it will be solved.

It's always possible it's none of the above, I say LE needs to:

1. Assign a brand new lead detective to look at this whole thing from the ground up, re-reviewing every single lead and every single piece of evidence with fresh eyes;
2. Do a full search of Memorial Lake (with multiple divers);
3. Get a warrant do a a cadaver search with a couple of dogs of that Campbelltown property;
4. Re-interview everyone possible;
5. Get someone like Payne Lindsay from Up and Vanished to do a podcast on it; and
6. Re-look at human trafficking scenarios.

And and everything you listed would be exactly what should happen, "IF" LE really cared. I have not seen anything that gives me the impression that they do. I think they have written her off as a "druggie" and don't care to spend the time on this case.

 

[Harrisburg17901]

I only recently heard about this case. I somehow had not heard of it despite living close to the area. I've spent a ton of time recently looking into it and I think my final conclusion is AB.

She owed him money and the argument pissed him off enough to take action. AB committed a robbery 3 months after Kortne disappeared, stealing guns and other things (speculating it was drugs and money) that were never recovered. There was a woman and an 8 year old child in the house. If I had to guess, the only reason that woman is still alive is because they couldn't get themselves to kill a child. The robbery happened in 2012, but he didn't get arrested until 2016. The details of this robbery sound very similar to what has been theorized happened to Kortne. Maybe the guy that stayed over was involved, maybe she got lured outside, but the robbery he was arrested for was with 3 others. That's more than enough to overpower her without much of a struggle or carry her out in a rug. The target of the robbery being a single adult woman seems like quite the coincidence imo. They probably didn't think the kid was home and were targeting the one woman. I think I'm going to try and see if he had a connection to the woman in the robbery prior to it happening. Maybe she owed him money too.

Earlier in one of these threads, someone mentioned a rapper that had a soundclound song that is now deleted that referenced being involved in the murder. If you go to ABs twitter, with the very little activity he's had, most of the tweets are retweets of songs from a soundcloud rapper. A few of the links lead to deleted tracks. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the rumored rapper that had the song and he's clearly connected to AB in someway because his music sucks. There's no way anyone is listening to his catalog and enjoying it, so those retweets are likely helping a friend. This paragraph could be pretty irrelevant because they're only rumors, but I figured I'd mention it again anyway.

She'll get found at some point because she's probably in the lake or some of the dense forest. Someone at some point will stumble upon the body when nature knocks it loose and brings it to shore or an animal moves a few bones into somewhere that's more visible. I hope it's soon.

4 men get prison time for 2012 home invasion and robbery in Dauphin County

GRANTVILLE, DAUPHIN COUNTY–Three men plead guilty Friday for their role in a 2012 home invasion and robbery in Dauphin County. Arvard Brown, Todd Kline an...

www.fox43.com

 

[Trackergd]

Are there mugshots of these three? I can't seem to find any.

 

[dotr]

Aug 21, 2012,

Report: Police Question Men Who Saw Woman Night She Vanished

Report: Police Question Men Who Saw Woman Night She Vanished

www.huffpost.com

''The two individuals questioned -- Milton Rodriguez, Jr. and Cody Pruett -- gave Stouffer a ride home on the night that she went missing. The group dropped Rodriguez off at his home around 2 a.m. before Pruett and Stouffer continued to her apartment in Palmyra. The two men are among the last people to see Stouffer before she vanished, according to a copy of a search warrant obtained by WHP-TV Friday.
The two men are not considered people of interest or suspects in the investigation, the district attorney's office has said.
Investigators searched Rodriguez's 2004 Acura as well as the home of Rodriguez's father.

Police responded to a pair of noise complaints from Stouffer's apartment building on the night she disappeared. At approximately 3:15 a.m., police arrived following an argument between Stouffer and another building tenant. About an hour later, authorities returned, only to find the building quiet.''

KORTNE CIERA STOUFFER - PALMYRA, PENNSYLVANIA | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Palmyra, Pennsylvania July 29, 2012

www.fbi.gov

 

[ex-stat]

I wish they would just tell the truth on these programmes. If the floorboards were ripped up and a cash counting machine stolen more was going on in that apartment than she just smokes a bit of pot. I too have heard the robbery/drug debt theory banded about. IF that is the case then then she didn't necessarily rob someone directly, but if KS and her bf were robbed they would have a debt to pay and it does not matter if they were robbed, why would anyone give a *advertiser censored* about that, that's their lookout in that harsh world. The debt would still have to be paid, and she would be very vulnerable with her bf in prison. The person she owed the debt to would in turn owe to someone else who would need to be paid. I had actually heard a much larger amount than the one mentioned in this thread but that is neither here nor there I suppose. It may be absolutely nothing to do with that for all we know and an acquaintance harmed her. However, the number of times this is mentioned and not just on here certainly gives pause for thought. I don't want to add further thoughts on this in case the family are reading. None of us really know what happened and sometimes I think speculation does more harm than good. I think it is sad whatever happened.

 

[eagle5516]

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I only recently heard about this case. I somehow had not heard of it despite living close to the area. I've spent a ton of time recently looking into it and I think my final conclusion is AB.

She owed him money and the argument pissed him off enough to take action. AB committed a robbery 3 months after Kortne disappeared, stealing guns and other things (speculating it was drugs and money) that were never recovered. There was a woman and an 8 year old child in the house. If I had to guess, the only reason that woman is still alive is because they couldn't get themselves to kill a child. The robbery happened in 2012, but he didn't get arrested until 2016. The details of this robbery sound very similar to what has been theorized happened to Kortne. Maybe the guy that stayed over was involved, maybe she got lured outside, but the robbery he was arrested for was with 3 others. That's more than enough to overpower her without much of a struggle or carry her out in a rug. The target of the robbery being a single adult woman seems like quite the coincidence imo. They probably didn't think the kid was home and were targeting the one woman. I think I'm going to try and see if he had a connection to the woman in the robbery prior to it happening. Maybe she owed him money too.

Earlier in one of these threads, someone mentioned a rapper that had a soundclound song that is now deleted that referenced being involved in the murder. If you go to ABs twitter, with the very little activity he's had, most of the tweets are retweets of songs from a soundcloud rapper. A few of the links lead to deleted tracks. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the rumored rapper that had the song and he's clearly connected to AB in someway because his music sucks. There's no way anyone is listening to his catalog and enjoying it, so those retweets are likely helping a friend. This paragraph could be pretty irrelevant because they're only rumors, but I figured I'd mention it again anyway.

She'll get found at some point because she's probably in the lake or some of the dense forest. Someone at some point will stumble upon the body when nature knocks it loose and brings it to shore or an animal moves a few bones into somewhere that's more visible. I hope it's soon.

4 men get prison time for 2012 home invasion and robbery in Dauphin County

GRANTVILLE, DAUPHIN COUNTY–Three men plead guilty Friday for their role in a 2012 home invasion and robbery in Dauphin County. Arvard Brown, Todd Kline an...

www.fox43.com

All of the above seems like a very real possibility. If you check out an earlier post from ghost, (I can repost if you need it), it seems to be consistent with the above. Pair most of what you said with a local rumor from the drug world the KS was on H, and may have called someone that night (one of a handful of alternatives to AB himself) to drop off some product. That connect brings along AB because he has no real loyalty to KS, because he was afraid of AB, or did not know exactly how far things were going to go. CP either witnessed what happened and did nothing and has not explained to the police what really happened (and this is why he seemed so sketchy in the aftermath even though he may have had nothing to do with the actual murder), he slept through the encounter, or just didn't go outside with KS. If maybe you are starting to go into withdrawal, it's the middle of the night and you are just going outside for a second to pick up a bundle so you don't get sick, it might explain why you don't have shoes or your wallet, or whatever the essential type items were that she left behind (I forget).

I had really just heard about AB and the drug debt theory on Websleuths, then WS called him out by name on the Vanished Podcast as part of the drug debt rumor she had heard, so that theory got bumped up to #1 for me, and then ghost posted a similar story here on Websleuths within the last year or two.

All of that is really involved and Occam's Razor would tell you that CP and MR are better suspects, and CP especially, since they were the ones who were last with her on that night. But neither one strikes me as a criminal mastermind, so I feel like the police would have gotten something on them by now. Versus, AB and at least 1 other person maybe shows up and take out KS from the backyard or from the apartment itself and all CP does is not give them up. In that scenario, he can fail a polygraph, but there's really no direct evidence tying him to the crime bc strictly speaking, he's not guilty of anything other than not implicating someone else in the crime or possible obstruction around whatever lies he told to avoid saying what really happened. So police know he's likely not telling the whole truth (but that's true with most witnesses in just about every drug-related murder), but they have nothing on him and can't charge him.

 

[Harrisburg17901]

Are there mugshots of these three? I can't seem to find any.

Inmate/Parolee Locator

inmatelocator.cor.pa.gov

I only looked for AB, but I was able to find his parole release mugshot. I can't find any arrest mugshots though.

 

[aileanaodh]

Inmate/Parolee Locator

inmatelocator.cor.pa.gov

I only looked for AB, but I was able to find his parole release mugshot. I can't find any arrest mugshots though.

Hello - I have held the same theory as you for years. Kortne argued with AB at the Hardware Bar and even accused him of robbing her apartment! And then later, we find out that AB and 3 others committed a violent home invasion and had a woman and child at gunpoint! This has been mentioned in numerous sources (podcasts, news articles, forums). What drives me crazy is that every time this information is mentioned, it's followed up with, "well... the police cleared AB so they don't think it was him...". Great - how did they clear him? Did he fly a plane to London after the argument at the bar? A timestamped video of him dancing? Or did his girlfriend tell the police she could vouch for him and they thought that was good enough?! I would love to know!
This leads me to other questions... Why do we refer to him as AB? I read the rules about using real names and he has been mentioned in the official police timeline by name. That timeline was published by several official news sources. Doesn't that mean we can use his name?
Also - he has at least two facebook profiles. You won't find much there but he's enjoying life as a free man these days.

 

[dotr]

''Dec 3, 2012
What happened to 21-year-old Kortne Stouffer? The mystery of this young womanâ s disappearance has led police to two young men who may have been the last to see her.On Tuesday, Jane Velez-Mitchell spoke to Scott Stouffer, Kortneâ s father to get the latest on the search for his daughter. He said he talked to Cody Pruett, the man who says he spent the night at Kortneâ s apartment the night she disappeared. â I really wanted to hear from his side''