Found Deceased PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *kidnapping arrest* #3

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  1. Curiosity1234

    Curiosity1234 Well-Known Member

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    I think it's great that the aunt set up a P.O box for mail to the Stoltzfoos be sent to. There might be one or more not so nice people who might say unkind things and that family needs all the love, tenderness, and support they can get.
     


  2. Curiosity1234

    Curiosity1234 Well-Known Member

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    I believe they were trophy items for him but that's JMO.
     
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    Curiosity1234 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how I ended up with mailing address link with a comment meant for RumorMonger thread.
     
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    Janeumayer Well-Known Member

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    Here’s an explanation for preliminary hearings taking place in PA. The article mentions the term MDJ which means Magisterial District Judge.

    Preliminary Hearing
     
  5. Curiosity1234

    Curiosity1234 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much Janeumayer, a short but we'll explained procedure.
     
  6. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    Continued prayers for Linda, her Family and Friends.

    May she soon be found.

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  7. Bucksharbor

    Bucksharbor Well-Known Member

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    I have a couple of questions about the clothing items (bra and socks) as trophies theory.
    1) If trophies generally associated with serial killers and/or serial rapists, would this then decrease the likelihood of this being a first-time, crime-of-opportunity.
    2) If trophies are often intimate items, I can understand keeping a bra as a trophy. But socks?
     
  8. UnapologeticallyAspie

    UnapologeticallyAspie Hiding In Plain Sight: Women On the Spectrum

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    Well IF he choked her with them maybe he would want to keep them. MOO.
    It could even be a sensory thing for him (smell, touch, taste, etc...). But I don’t know. Just thinking outside of the box. IMHAspieO.
     
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    Curiosity1234 Well-Known Member

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    Sweet angels and a prayer crhedBngr. Thank you.
     
  10. Janeumayer

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    I think he would have kept her panties. IMO
     
  11. Curiosity1234

    Curiosity1234 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if it decreases the likelihood of this being a first-time, crime of opportunity; probably an expert or maybe even a profiler would know the answer to that question. It is MOO that he may have been planning on taking the clothing items home but for some unknown reason changed his mind.
     
  12. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    My theory about the clothes is that he "found" them after he had already disposed of her body, so he had to put them somewhere separate. I don't think they were intentionally kept but rather overlooked at first. IMO MOO
     
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    I'm not sure re your questions, but I suppose these freaks start somewhere with keeping trophies. The socks I think could represent innocence (makes me feel sick).

    However - I dont think the items found were trophies because he wouldnt have buried them somewhere hard for him to return to. Unless that was his original idea and then he panicked about having them, so got rid.

    Possibly he overlooked them when he took Linda somewhere. He was likely in a high state of panic, I dont think this was an organised crime I think it was entirely opportunistic, probably triggered by an incident of some kind in a personal relationship. Rage, revenge against women, adrenalin. Not planned. I think he saw the poor girl, and took her.

    Anyway, I hope the items provide DNA and/or trace, which would link him directly to Linda.

    JMO
     
  14. oceanblueeyes

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    Unless a suspect confesses, and completely lays out what they did, and why from beginning to end, we will never know the reasons he hid the clothing in a very shallow hole. Each predator is as individual as the individual crimes they committed in their own way.

    It's like trying to read tea leaves. There are just so many variables for doing so making it an impossible quessing game with no solid answer.

    I have my own opinions, but in the end it really doesn't matter. What does matters is LE knows he DID put them there.

    I'm sure by now like in all ongoing investigations like this LE knows far more than they did when her clothing was first found.

    Jmho
     
  15. HailedSunSea

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    Im wondering if he was under the influence of a substance, and he's thinking like "yeah im going to get me some chick to throw around for a while", so he gets in the car all amped up, and feeling powerful, then he nabs Linda, does what he does to her, and is like " mmm yeah, im keeping this bra, and stockings because I love what this feels like", and then he sobers from the experience a bit, and becomes a tad bit remorseful, freaks out a bit, looks at him self in the mirror then jumps in the car with the two clothing items, and drives without a plan, and his actions are erratic, based on only spontaneity, and basically stupidity, just like his initial action of kidnapping Linda in the first place. This is not factual folks, just a theory. I could see a substance such as cocaine or methamphetamine playing a roll in this, or even booze? It doesn't excuse the actions what so ever of course.
     
  16. Jillian2020

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    It depends on what kind of corn was being grown, I believe. Was it sweet or livestock (field) corn? Sweet corn would be ready in summer and field corn is not harvested until fall. So, that could be the reason for the discrepancy in the corn height. I saw teams searching cornfields in late June. At that time, the corn was only a little more than waist high on a man and fairly sparse. Down the road, however, the same may not hold true.
     
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    It depends on what kind of corn was being grown, I believe. Was it sweet or livestock (field) corn? Sweet corn would be ready in summer and field corn is not harvested until fall. So, that could be the reason for the discrepancy in the corn height. I saw teams searching cornfields in late June. At that time, the corn was only a little more than waist high on a man and fairly sparse. Down the road, however, the same may not hold true.

    Sorry for the double post. Learning how to quote.
     
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    That was my first thought too. It seems absurd to go through so much trouble to hide a bra and a pair of knotted together stockings when there are easier ways. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 20 surefire ways to get rid of small pieces of clothing so that they are never found again. So why take the risk of getting caught? The only thing that makes sense to me is that it was strategic. It was either an attempt to pin the crime on somebody else and/or it was done merely to distract LE, imo. There may be additional pieces of clothing scattered around the area.
     
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    According to number 19 of the complaint, the suspect pulled off to an area that was outside of camera view on the west side of the road. The area described is an “Amish farm lane.” That leads me to believe the area is located midway between Stumptown Road and Mill Creek Road. There is an Amish farm lane there. It will be interesting to find out if additional information surfaces regarding the video.

    I’d imagine that LE would have checked the construction sites that Dutchland is currently working on. JS most likely would have known where they were even though he worked at the Gap location. On a Sunday, maybe there was nobody working at a new construction site, with no security cameras around. Cement experience and lots of places to hide a body would be something I would look into.
     
  20. Bucksharbor

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    I came to the exact same conclusion. At the press conference they had a map that marked that part of Beechdale as the place where Linda was abducted. It is close to 0.2 miles from the camera. That is why there is very little detail, even after the enhancement. IMHO
     
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