PA PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *kidnapping arrest* #3

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  1. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    So investigators are back to searching today in an undisclosed area.

    Prayers that LS is found soon.

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  2. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    I checked MSM; still no sign of LS.

    Continued prayers for LS Family and Friends.
     
  3. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    I wonder if "undisclosed area" is Welsh Mountain?
     
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    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    Any news on what might have happened in court - IF there was a hearing?

    TIA! :) I'm just getting very old articles over here....
     
  5. PayrollNerd

    PayrollNerd Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if this was posted yet.

    Linda Stoltzfoos still missing 5 months later, searches continue | WHP
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    Investigators are navigating a tricky timeline that started with the first report from Linda’s parents on June 21 and got more complicated when charges were filed against Justo Smoker on July 10.

    “Instead of going in multiple directions you’re able to now narrow the investigation down in one clear direction, but it’s also at that point in time where the seriousness of what occurred and the events that were surrounding it make it difficult. In a sense - a tough investigation,” said Lt. Hess.

    On Aug. 7, Smoker appeared in court for a preliminary hearing where he was ordered to stand trial, thus changing how investigators handle the release of information.

    “Due to the nature of the events and, the incident itself we don’t release any details specific details of the case to not compromise the court proceeding itself,” said Lt. Hess.
     
  6. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Spent a good part of today on Welsh Mountain. Lots of territory to cover and a ton of egress points. And that's just the nature preserve. Got some pictures I will post later. Mostly "Recon" today. Looking for landmark features, egress points and trails you could navigate in low light conditions. Also checked potential parking spots.
     
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    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    Wonderful!!!

    Thanks for your efforts.

    JMVHO.
     
  8. MontereyMama

    MontereyMama Well-Known Member

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    So very thankful to see movement on this one.
    Thank you for your hard work, Trackergd!
     
  9. Seni

    Seni Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, fabulous that you could do this. "Egress points" mean exit points from the area in question? Forgive my ignorance.
     
  10. sds71

    sds71 Well-Known Member

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    11/25/2020
    CP Filed Date
    Service Type eService
    Filed By
    Service Status Served
    Ashworth, David L.
    Served Served Served Served
    COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF LANCASTER COUNTY
    Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v.Justo Smoker

    Docket Number: CP-36-CR-0003319-2020
    CRIMINAL DOCKET Court Case

    11/25/2020 Order Granting Motion for Continuance
    Brown, Todd Everett 11/25/2020
    Encarnacion, Samuel 11/25/2020
    Low, Elizabeth Adina 11/25/2020
    Tallarico, Christopher Michael 11/25/2020 eService

    https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Docke...-CR-0003319-2020&dnh=leQj87YnK6aNnlFOlulmmQ==
     
  11. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Entry and exit points that a car can park in or near. I wanted to figure out if he could drive a car up one or more of them. Only two are large enough and they are closed off with a bar or cable. He would have had to carry her remains into the preserve, if that's where she is.
     
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    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Still trying to get the pictures to upload. I noted a large number of surveyor tape markers in various colors on branches and some white direction arrows on the ground. The arrows might be from a trail ride or trail run. Woods are open with good visibility but there is a significant layer of leaves.
     
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    Thank you so very much. It's great to have experts like yourself dedicate to her case.
     
  14. coastal

    coastal Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much for looking for Miss Linda, Trackergd!
     
  15. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Having now walked in the terrain and conditions, my opinion is that it would take a massive organized grid search operation to cover the mountain. Problem is that I don't know what the SAR Team did or where they searched. I also don't know what area the phone pinged in. Only LE knows that. As a SAR Manager, one of the first things you do is attempt to narrow the search area as much as possible to conserve resources and speed up the operation. Another option would be to use an eleven person team and put one person on the trail and the others inline, five to a side spaced apart and walk all the trails keeping good GPS tracking to know what trails you have covered. If JS had carried a body over his shoulder, it could not have been very far and only far enough off a trail to reduce the probability of it being seen. That ground would have required a sturdy shovel and mattock to dig through the root material. No way he was carrying her and the tools. To carry her into the woods, then go back for the tools would require one or more landmarks that would put him back in the same spot without getting lost, notably in lower light conditions. Once you go off trail, it is very easy to trip and fall on rocks and roots under the leaf litter layer. Also, Welsh Mountain is not only the nature preserve, there is a lot of other land on that mountain that is private. At least one water feature, a quarry, homes and a shooting range. Really hampers our WS group efforts if we have no cell ping location.
     
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    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    This is the pipeline right of way at Narvon Quarry. No way to get into the right of way as the property is posted and there are nearby homes. Too open for clandestine activities. Google Earth view.
     

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    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    This is the pipeline right of way at the Briertown Road end. Not a lot of parking, but less visible to nearby homes at night. Google Earth view.
     

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    Thank you for this description of the terrain. What are your thoughts on whether he might choose a low lying wash area that is already somewhat eroded, place her and then cover her? Do you know if dogs have been used? If they covered that area with cadaver dogs, shouldn't they find her? I wonder if JS had someone helping him who came to Welsh Mountain a day or so later, collected her, and relocated her to another area? If so, pings on JS's phone will be meaningless. I feel such empathy for Linda's family. They are living a nightmare.
     
  19. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    All, I wanted to clear this post with the thread moderator first.

    Man charged with Linda Stoltzfoos' kidnapping repeatedly texted brother after her disappearance: search warrant

    As a strong suggestion, WS TOS will not let us sleuth or accuse the "other" individual as LE has not listed them as a POI. Please tread carefully as I would rather us not make more work for our awesome moderators.

    I am pretty sure LE knows all about this and to me the timing and number of texts is important information for us to be aware of. I am hesitant to make any further comments.
     
  20. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    @Maplesyrup Your comments are well founded based on my recent post about the texts. She could have been hidden in a wash with a covering of leaves. During my poking around, I did not see any washes, but I did not cover the entire area.
     
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