PA PA - Lycoming County - W. Br. Susquehanna River - Williamsport - 11 May 2019

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  1. Richrd

    Richrd Five Year Member

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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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    Estimated Year of Death2018-2019
    Estimated PMI6 Months
    HeightCannot Estimate
    WeightCannot Estimate
    Circumstances
    TypeUnidentified Deceased
    Date FoundMay 11, 2019
    NamUs Case CreatedJune 14, 2019
    ME/C QA Reviewed--
    Location Found Map
    General Location--Williamsport City, Pennsylvania
    CountyLycoming County
    GPS Coordinates--
    Circumstances of RecoveryTwo human legs were found along the North shore of the Susquehanna near the Hepburn St Pump Station, Williamsport City, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania. The remains were cleanly cut near the knee joints. The cuts were expected to be made by a thin bladed hand-held saw.
    Details of Recovery


    Inventory of Remains--
    Condition of RemainsNot recognizable - Partial remains with soft tissues
    Physical Description
    Hair ColorUnknown or Completely Bald
    Head Hair Description--
    Body Hair Description--
    Facial Hair Description--
    Left Eye ColorUnknown or Missing
    Right Eye ColorUnknown or Missing
    Eye Description--
    Distinctive Physical Features
    Item
    Description
    Finger and toe nails
    toe nails painted pink


    Clothing and Accessories
    Item
    Description
    Clothing
    White socks that were labeled ‘Polo Jeans’ with R.L. above a red white and blue flag. (believed to be Ralph Lauren)
    On the Body
     
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    Human Remains Found Along Susquehanna River in Williamsport

    WILLIAMSPORT, Pa. — The Lycoming County coroner is trying to identify human remains found along the Susquehanna River in Williamsport this weekend.

    State police and forensic anthropology experts are helping to identify the deteriorated remains discovered Saturday morning by fishermen near Hepburn Street in Williamsport.

    The coroner said it appears the remains had been there for several months.
     
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    I don’t think the remains are that dated if the toenails were still there. Maybe a month? Are there any domestic violence victims missing? Any boaters leaving at an unusual hour? Who has been missing recently?
     
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    I don't know why, but when I saw this I thought of the pile of sliced up clothes found in Fair Lawn, NJ: NJ - NJ - Fair Lawn, Mysterious pile of sliced-up women’s clothes found in woods, Mar 2019

    The last speculation on that thread was that the Fair Lawn clothes could be from a woman missing from Hillsboro, Ohio: OH - OH - Lanessa Roosa, 21, arrested, left hospital, fell from motel ceiling, Hillsboro, 1 Jan 2019

    Williamsport could be on the way from Hillsboro to Fair Lawn: Google Maps

    Perhaps they dumped her remains along the way and then realized they still had her clothes and got rid of those last? IDK, just a random theory I had. I don't see any recent missing cases from Lycoming County.
     
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    Date Found May 11, 2019 along the North shore of the Susquehanna near the Hepburn St Pump Station, Williamsport City. I wonder who was missing from late March, early April north of here.

    Wikipedia:
    The Susquehanna River forms from two main branches: the "North Branch", which rises in Cooperstown, New York, and is regarded by federal mapmakers as the main branch or headwaters,[7] and the West Branch, which rises in western Pennsylvania and joins the main branch near Northumberland in central Pennsylvania.

    The feet had socks on so maybe 4 weeks max since the nails fall off at 3 weeks.
    Putrification:
    • 1–2 days: Pallor mortis, algor mortis, rigor mortis, and livor mortis are the first steps in the process of decomposition before the process of putrefaction.
    • 2–3 days: Discoloration appears on the skin of the abdomen. The abdomen begins to swell due to gas formation.
    • 3–4 days: The discoloration spreads and discolored veins become visible.
    • 5–6 days: The abdomen swells noticeably and the skin blisters.
    • 10–20 days: Black putrefaction occurs, which is when noxious odors are released from the body and the parts of the body undergo a black discoloration.
    • 2 weeks: The abdomen is bloated; internal gas pressure nears maximum capacity.
    • 3 weeks: Tissues have softened. Organs and cavities are bursting. The nails fall off.
    • 4 weeks: Soft tissues such as the internal organs begin to liquefy and the face becomes unrecognizable. Leads to skeletonization where the skin, muscles, tendons and ligaments degrade exposing the skeleton.
     
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    The toenails may have fallen off but been retained inside the sock though
     
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    That’s a good thought. The sock does look quite loose around the toes meaning the soft tissue has deteriorated away from bone. The sock elastic is still snug around the lower ankle. Maybe dated 6-8 weeks rather than 4?
     
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    fyi duplicate threads have been merged.
     
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    I wonder how long the evaluation by ME will take. It's been 5 weeks. They should be able to estimate the height pretty early in the process. That would help with identifying this lady. I'm sure DNA will take longer.

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    Williamsport isn't a very big city with population around 28,000 people. Lycoming College and Penn Tech is there. South Williamsport is home of the Little League World Series. The sports scene has always been huge ( Mike Mussina and many others) and the area is known for its art scene with some amazing jewelers.

    It is a beautiful area nestled between mountains with smaller towns surrounding and is only a hop, skip, and a jump from other bigger cities like Philly, Pittsburgh, and Harrisburg. There is a lot of influx from those cities especially Philly.
    There are a lot of drug issues with increased violence that has increased over the years. There is a dedicated drug task force for the area.

    There are a lot of river lots owned by families where a lot of time is spent there camping and cooking out. There are annual floats, "Float your fanny down the Susquehanny" Fanny Float returns to river on Saturday | News, Sports, Jobs - Williamsport Sun-Gazette

    Muncy Women's State prison is close.

    It is interesting that the legs were found together. That leads me to believe that they were placed or dumped there locally versus being dumped at a different location and floating a great distance downstream. Unless of course they were in a plastic bag.

    MOO
     
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    I agree and I'm curious if they identified different sediment or debris that may pinpoint where the legs were initially placed in the river.

    I also wonder if the rest of the body eventually surfaces locally there or was it placed in different areas to avoid identification?

    MOO
     
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    I live within this general area and haven't seen or heard any local media reporting this story. I will keep my eyes and ears open. There is no way I would've missed this on the local news!
     
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    Here's the body they found in New York in 2018. Young African American woman, dismembered, only they found the torso, not legs. Like I said, I may be reaching, but it seems to follow a pattern. Any thoughts?

    (Also, my apologies if this should be moved to a new thread since the last two I posted were identified. Just trying to see if there is a link between them and the unidentified above found in PA)

    Family Identifies Dismembered Body in Brooklyn Park: ‘It Was My Chocolate’
     
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    We have a thread for her as well (Identified): Identified! - NY - Female torso and body parts found, Brooklyn Park, 09 Apr 2018 - Brandy Odom

    One of the last posts in that thread said they had a suspect in that case but the link is broken so I'm not sure who it was. I highly doubt these cases are all connected. MOO.
     

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