PA PA - Marjorie West, 4, McKean County, 8 May 1938

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  1. Find Brenda

    Find Brenda Well-Known Member

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    This area was not so much of a wilderness at the time. Almost all of it had been logged by the end of the 19th century. However, the possibility exists that she fell into a natural vertical shaft (some in the area) or an abandoned well or mine.
     
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  2. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    I read that they went to the area that wasn't logged since they were beside a forest. The searchers thought the little girl wandered into the forest and got lost. Remember they were in the Allegheny National Forest. They were 40 minutes from Bradford and they were in the White Gravel Creek area. That's national forest land.
     
  3. Find Brenda

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    She did indeed go missing in the ANF, but it was a new growth forest.

    “Between 1890 and 1930, wood chemical plants produced charcoal, methanol, acetic acid, acetate of lime and similar products, and provided a market for virtually every size, species and quality of tree growing on the Allegheny Plateau. Harvests during this era were the most complete ever made in the area, clearing nearly every accessible tree of every size. The once vast forest of the Allegheny Plateau was almost completely removed, leaving barren hillsides as far as the eye could see…


    An old-growth forest of hemlock and beech once stretched along northern Pennsylvania, but heavy logging between 1890 and 1930 left only pockets of that early forest in places like Hearts Content. Since the Forest Service began to manage the Allegheny National Forest in 1923, a different forest of hardwood trees like black cherry (that are more valuable as a timber product) was established through the use of herbicides and selective fertilizing. “
    -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny_National_Forest

    It was not a dense wilderness like it is today. I find it difficult to believe that thousands of searchers and dogs could not find her. How far could a 4 year old make it into the woods?

    I am not saying this poor child didn't get lost in the wilderness and die, but that is not the only possible scenario.
     
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    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    By 1940 it was considered "old growth" once again. This happened in 1938. This was forested and wilderness. Just read the Allaghany NF website. They know the history of their own forest. If a adult woman can die and not be found in a small Washington DC park, a 4 year old doesn't have a chance in a wilderness area.
     
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  5. Find Brenda

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    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
     
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    Just don't let your small children run around in densely wooded areas without strict supervision. It isn't the Hundred Acre Wood out there.
     
  7. Find Brenda

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    Map of missing children of McKean County, PA (3 in close proximity...2 on the same day!)
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    So very interesting! Thank you! Very off subject but having 2 Bassets I always wondered how this worked.
     
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    A good book (among many) that I recall on the subject was titled "Go Find". It tells the basics of what to do in training and working with a tracking dog. A Basset Hound would probably make an excellent tracking dog, as they have very good noses for it.

    I worked mostly with Chesapeake Bay Retrievers for tracking, but that was because it was the breed I had. Any hunting dog with a good nose could be used. I have also worked with an American Foxhound (also known as a Walker Hound) and with a Beagle.

    Probably the best dog for tracking would be a Bloodhound. But as I have stated before, any dog could be trained and used to track.
     
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    This is excellent. As a Bloodhound owner, thank you for explaining this so eloquently.
     
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    Tracking is done with a dog in a tracking harness - one which allows the dog to keep his head down without choking or hindering him. These can be obtained from dog training specialty catalogs or suppliers. When the trained dog is placed in his harness, he immediately knows what he will be doing, but I would always walk him to the area using his neck collar and short lead. Once on site, I would attach a 40 foot lead to the tracking harness and remove the neck collar. Give him the scent and tell him "Go find".

    I would not step off until he had gone 30 feet (measured by a knot on the lead), and then you have to set the pace a bit so that he does not over run the track. A big strong dog like a blood hound or a Chesapeake can really pull you along!

    Tracking is really great fun and exercise - and it can be very useful. I was once involved with a search for a lost 3 year old child who had wandered off and was missing - believed to be in a thickly wooded area overnight. A number of dogs and handlers responded to the call for assistance.

    My dog and I were assigned to a grid sector along with a group of other human searchers (not the optimum use of a tracking dog), and while we were out searching, we were called back because the child had been found alive and well by another tracking dog (a Rottweiler) in the adjacent grid sector.
     
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    Amazing! As you can see, I have a good team/pack. This is fantastic information. I can see with two Bassets, one being blind how very easily how their scent tracking abilities are so very underestimated!
    Which is also why I have to think in this case that little girl was taken.

    I know that there were a lot of predatory/scavenging animals in that area at the time which could render a body much more difficult to locate as well. Fox, bear, wolves, wildcats, mountain lions (then).

    I was researching some of the high industry at the time in the area and it’s happened to be glass making. Interesting as being from Pennsylvania I automatically thought quarry and mining. I was trying to search for reports of any crimes linked to out of town workers who would possibly have a connection.
     
  14. Dee Deforest

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    One of the most frustrating cases. What happened to Marjorie?
     
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    Someone tell me I'm off about this somehow.....is this within 2 miles of the wildlife park referenced below?

    The family drove to the nearest phone seven miles away to contact police in the town of Kane." 8 May 1938

    Google Maps

    "This photograph depicts a dead mountain lion from Dr. McCleery's lobo wolf park, located along Route 6 five miles east of Kane, PA. The mountain lion escaped from the park in February 1946 and killed Claude Mollander Jr.'s dog. The mountain lion was subsequently shot by Sergeant Charles E. Stacy.

    The back of the photo reads:

    CL15169
    CLEVELAND BUREAU
    "Dog Dies to Save Boy from Mountain Lion (2)

    Kane, PA. – "Casey", a six-year-old mongrel dog, is dead today, heroically sacrificing his own life to save his young master, Claude Mollander, Jr., of Kane, Pa. The boy and his dog were playing in their yard when a mountain lion, escaped from a local zoo, approached. "Casey" attacked immediately but was killed. The boy ran home during the brief struggle and a state police-man was summoned, who found the lion prowling nearby and shot it to death. The body of the 145-pound lion is shown above.

    CREDIT ACML PHOTO
    L27 NY CHI SPLS, 2/18/46"
    Dog Dies to Save Boy from Mountain Lion [Photograph] · Dr. McCleery Lobo Wolves Digital Archive



    REF:
    "A ten year lifespan is considered old age for a mountain lion in the wild. Lions in captivity have been known to live twice that long." Frequently Asked Questions About Mountain Lions
    Welcome to the Dr. McCleery Lobo Wolves Digital Archive! · Dr. McCleery Lobo Wolves Digital Archive
    "In 1929 Dr. McCleery moved his lobo wolves to a larger and more accessible location along Route 6 between Kane and Mt. Jewett where the pack - which fluctuated between 20 and 100 wolves at any given time - brought thousands of visitors to the area for several decades." Did anyone know he had cougars as well...
     
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  16. Find Brenda

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    That "zoo" was in the Kane area. Marjorie West went missing closer to Marshburg in the White Gravel area, which is approx. 18 miles to Kane by road and around 13 miles by the way the crow flies.
     
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    rbbm.
    The Great Unsolved Mystery of Missing Marjorie West - Narratively - Pocket
    "Locals who’ve read the book have debated its conclusions on Facebook. Marjorie’s cousin’s daughter Catherine discounted the story on a 2012 discussion thread on Websleuths.com, a site on which people try to solve missing persons cases. Catherine wrote that the state trooper she talked to didn’t take Beck’s narrative seriously.

    Beck says he understands why people are frustrated, particularly those involved in the search. But he won’t betray a confidence.

    Bob Lowery, a vice president at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, hadn’t heard of Beck’s book, but says Beck or anyone else with information about Marjorie should come forward. He notes the case is the third-oldest in their files. “I would think that anyone alive today who was living at that time would have vivid memories of this,” he says. “When something happens to a child of four, there’s a need to have the truth shared so that everyone knows.”
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    Reward poster for any information on the disappearance of West. Photo courtesy of McKean County Cold Cases.
     
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  18. Mockturtle22

    Mockturtle22 Alice, by another name.

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    I read somewhere that they were able to discount this, I thought that it was uncanny too but I'm not sure when AJD was ruled out...
     
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    According to McKean County Cold Cases, Marjorie West was ruled out as Annandale Jane Doe (https://identifyus.org/cases/6279) by NamUs via DNA around 2017.
     
  20. Find Brenda

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    Last seen 82 years ago today. Such a sad mystery for a pretty little girl.
     
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