PA PA - Monroe Co., Male Torso UP9734, 50-60, off Route 191, wired sternum, Dec'11

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  1. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    One article says he was over 25, another that he was 45-60.
    http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111228/NEWS/112280321
    http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120106/NEWS90/120109798


    The location is very approximate. A is Route 191 and B is Sylvan Cascade Road.

    PA-191 N to Sylvan Cascades Rd - Google Maps

    Edit: the map doesn't look right but the markers are there if you zoom out a little.
     
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  3. micheleonelonly

    micheleonelonly New Member

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    Looks like the wired sternum could be due to a previous open chest surgery, such as to the heart or lungs. The only missing men I could find matching that description are Joseph Pike and Ronald Duck.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pike_joseph.html
    He is a little young for this John Doe, and the spinal fusion makes me doubt that this is him, but is it possible that the fused part of the spine was not part of the remains found? I don't know anything about spinal fusions, so I could be wrong, I was just speculating.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/duck_ronald.html
    Ronald Duck is awfully young for this Doe as well. He has been missing a long time, and I haven't seem any indication as to how long police think the man had been dead. Could Ronald have walked away from his life, only to meet this grisly fate later? Or maybe he went on the run, and the guy he testified against found him?
     
  4. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7618/0/
    Michael Brougham missing since 2010 has a large surgical scar on his sternum. He disappeared from 4.5 hours away, however and is supposed to have traveled in the other direction.
     
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    bdawk20 New Member

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    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8482685

    Weird that it says the torso was found in several bags. I wonder what made the motorist that spotted the bags call the police? To be honest, my 1st thought when seeing a garbage bag on the side of the road is not to call the police. Wish there was more info out there about this........
     
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    anneonymous New Member

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    Donjeta... That is a really interesting theory! Mickey Brougham disappeared from one NASCAR race in June, and there would have been a Pocono race in August of that year. Here's the 2010 Nascar schedule.
     
  7. HauntsForHope

    HauntsForHope Southern Sleuther

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    Nice find! You should call this one in!
     
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    bdawk20 New Member

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    http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111230/NEWS/112300325/-1/NEWSMAP

    Says in this article the police are not saying what was unusual about the garbage bag that made the motorist stop. Seems to imply there was something about the bag that was out of the ordinary. I read another article stating that LE believes the bag was deliberately placed so that it would be found....which is so creepy, as if this wasn't creepy enough already. Here's that link:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/pennsylvania-headless-torso-pocono-mountains_n_1176882.html
     
  9. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    bdawk's link also says:
    it would probably make him too young and too recent to be Michael Brougham but I've submitted him anyway.
     
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    micheleonelonly New Member

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    Since they're saying he could be that young, do you think I should submit the guys I found? I suppose it couldn't hurt, right?
     
  11. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Well, the worst that can happen is that they are ruled out.

    If the torso was cut up in several bags I think it's possible that the spine wasn't all there.
     
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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Thank you for the update Donjeta. I was wondering about this. Interesting that NamUs gives it low identification potential when it's fresh enough to recover DNA. =(
     
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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Maybe it'll change once they've actually got the DNA in the system?

    For now there is little to rule anybody in or out with no DNA, no fingerprints, no dentals.
     
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    Throwing Daniel Gerard Ryan into the conversation....he was 24, so if the deceased could be as young as 25, that's not too far off. It does say Daniel had a scar on his abdomen from chest to navel...which definitely sounds like a surgical scar and one that could have involved a wired sternum. Also, he is from the Bronx, less than 2 hours from Poconos according to Google maps...

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/3350dmny.html
     
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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Still unidentified but they have DNA now.

    Complete mitochondrial DNA profile obtained and uploaded to NDIS. Complete LOW COPY STR profile available at UNT for comparison. Not eligible for upload to NDIS. CL
     
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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Now they're saying he's 50-60 years old.
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    so they have a torso. no hair color is listed so are we to infer that there was no hair on the deceased's chest?
     
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    Bumping
     
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