PA PA - Philadelphia, 'Boy in the Box' WhtMale 4UMPA, 4-6, Feb'57 #2

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  1. ChatteringBirds

    ChatteringBirds Well-Known Member

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    @othram

    Thank you for the work that you do. Do you ever take on cases in which the bones are determined to be from a (ETA: younger than teenager) child?
     
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  2. othram

    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    Thank you, and yes we do.
     
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    I'm not sure if this has been posted here before, but this case was thought to be connected to this boy's around the time she was found. I can't find any info on it aside from the newspaper archives on the website linked in the sources. If she was identified or if there were ever any leads, it doesn't look like they were ever made public....
    East Bronx Jane Doe

    A few more thoughts on the case-
    The surgical scars on his genitals, as well as the fact he might have been raised as a girl, really make me think he might have been intersex.
    I also wouldn't be surprised if he came from some sort of orphanage or group home, and/or that he may have had some sort of developmental disability. Most developmentally disabled people 'look' completely normal... I know someone further up the thread said that he 'looked' autistic, but as an autistic person myself I can guarantee you that there's no facial features associated with autism, or a way to tell someone is autistic just by looking at them. It's not like Down syndrome or FAS where most people with it have distinctive facial features. That being said, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he was disabled.
     
  4. ChatteringBirds

    ChatteringBirds Well-Known Member

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    Wow, it really does sound like the East Bronx Jane Doe and the Boy in the Box could be related cases. Both abused and discarded in similar ways. (Hypothetical: Why did her case not receive equal attention through the years?) Poor little-ones. (ETA: She has a thread on WS:
    NY - NY - East Bronx, Girl, ~5, in Rodman's Neck Park, Aug'57)

    I wonder if she was identified or could be through DNA. What if identifying one leads to solving both cases?

    The link from Goecke's link with her case info:
    Archives-text page 5
     
  5. othram

    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    This is very interesting. Hopefully both cases can be worked to determine if there is, in fact, a connection.
     
  6. ChatteringBirds

    ChatteringBirds Well-Known Member

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    There are so many cases out of this area, though, that I can understand if LE prioritizes more recent cases where justice is more likely. But these cases have really touched people.

    It's also possible East Bronx Jane Doe could have been a copy-cat, if "Boy in the Box" was getting a lot of press at the time. It would be so interesting to hear what LE thinks.
     
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    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    Its bandwidth and funding, but we are hoping to help fund and solve as many as possible. Ultimately, as the technology becomes more mainstream, its likely that larger grant opportunities will support the work as well.
     
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    Regarding finding his relatives, I almost worry in his case that they may not know who he is. Or those who did being possibly deceased. These were times where unwed pregnant women were secretly sent away to give birth and forced to give up their babies for adoption. If this is the case, his mother's family may never have known she was pregnant.

    Regarding the evidence, did they ever determine when the bassinet was purchased? If it was more recent he could have a younger sibling who was either never told about their brother or was told he died of an illness or something vague.
     
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    RSBM

    Between December 3, 1956 and February 16, 1957
    Original Poster of the boy in the box
     
  10. themissingandthelost

    themissingandthelost Active Member

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    In the archive pages someone linked above and I was sent in a PM (link included below) it mentioned the Sanders family. Does anyone know if this was actually ruled out to be the missing Sanders' child? Or has anyone any links to read up on this?

    Archives-text page 5
     
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    So it sounds like his DNA may be undergoing testing. Wow.
     
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    I thought it already had? Barbara Ray Venter was working his geneaology at one point (it's back a couple of pages).
     
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    Maybe the article is referring to that then. I hope it's a success eventually, wonder if there is even a realistic chance.
     
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    BRV is no longer working the case. They weren't able to get a good sample to work with. The article implies they've made progress though, so hopefully we'll see movement soon.
     
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    Sounds to me like its very possible that the boy may not be native to the US and might have come somewhere from Europe as some people have theorized.
     
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    All immigration is tribal,so he probably would have had some relative in the states who immigrated around the time the same boy or his family did,though it might lead to a dead end of cultural disconnection as the descendants would have been to Americanized to understand the mindset of the said boy's parents if they indeed were immigrants and probably a language barrier if we consider the supposed relatives would not speak English and even if they did it would have been obvious that English was not their first language(it would have been very fragmented,thick accent,not thorough,even some loss of translation)these are the factors
     
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