- Apr 24, 2013
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Open a window to keep the rooms cooler for the decomposing body. Sorry, but I will call it out.That's correct.....and leads to a curious puzzle.
The Rams have a basement that's uncomfortably warm and stuffy in the winter.
They have to open the train room window a litte to let in fresh cold air.
Sometime during the morning of the 26th, JR reportedly goes alone to the train room and closes the window, which is open about an inch.
He doesn't tell police about this until seven months later.
Did JR really close the window? FW, during his first trip to the basement, didn't notice whether the windw was open or closed.
If the window was open, why did JR close it when, at the time, police were looking for evidence of an intruder?
JR told police the doors and window were secured on the night of the 25th, so perhaps he didn't want them to notice that that window was open. But wait. If that were true, why tell them it was open and he closed it? Why mention it at all?
Maybe he closed the window because, despite the heat from the furnace, the basement had grown cool on the sub zero night of the 25th. But, why bother to close the window an inch to conserve heat when there was a gaping hole in the pane?
What could his purpose have been in telling this story?
If you mean 2 percents confusion I dont understand that either. If you mean Mrs Ramseys confusion than thats a different story. She simply did not remember or did not know anything about the pineapple. Someone else put it in the bowl lots of folks visiting the house Christmas before they left for the Whites and, Mrs Ramsey never noticed (why would she?), and the setup was nothing more than an accumulation of unrelated items.Hmmm.
I don't understand the confusion.
Patsy had prior knowledge JonBenet had pineapple in her system.
She knew JonBenet liked pineapple.
The knew the bowl & spoon were household items.
She did the shopping, she knew there was pineapple in the fridge.
Does Patsy offer the most reasonable & logical explanation as to how it got there? Something like, "I didn't feed her pineapple when we got home, looking at that bowl with the big spoon, she must have gotten up at some point and ate it herself because the set up looks like something a child would do"?
Even the most simple mundane question ...it turned into a ridiculous trip down a rabbit hole. Ramsey style.
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If you mean 2 percents confusion I dont understand that either. If you mean Mrs Ramseys confusion than thats a different story. She simply did not remember or did not know anything about the pineapple. Someone else put it in the bowl lots of folks visiting the house Christmas before they left for the Whites and, Mrs Ramsey never noticed (why would she?), and the setup was nothing more than an accumulation of unrelated items.
Sure, but it is there. So, either Mrs Ramsey remembered incorrectly or the bowl and other items were set there after she cleared that area.IIRC Patsy claims to have cleared that space herself and no way should it have been there.
The ridiculousness went so far as to have John "pondering out loud" that if an intruder brought her down and tried to feed it to her she would have screamed bloody murder...eyeroll.
Really John? You even gave that a serious thought???
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Open a window to keep the rooms cooler for the decomposing body. Sorry, but I will call it out.
All that said - and not meaning at all to be peevish - my question was not about what purpose a slightly open window might have served, but what JR's purpose was in telling the story he told about the window.
And again. What does it profit her to lie. If she knows it is there, Lying is not going to make it not there. Lying is the one thing that does not make sense here.
I mostly agree with your post except that I can think of two reasons to lie: #1 when the victim is your own child and #2 when you need to run interference between the investigators and your remaining childYet, that's exactly what they all did.
I can only think of one reason to lie during a murder investigation...when the victim is your own child.
They have something to hide.
And Hide it, they did.
No justice for JonBenet.
White, in his depo, claims to not remember if the window was closed, open or simply ajar.Hi, Meara,
I assume youre looking for an answer beyond consistency is not an R strong suit? 
The whole window story always appeared to me as a staging story supplied fantastically by JR, before hed really thought it all the way through. So with that bias upfront, my response reflects mho.
In the first interview (1997), JR tells the interviewers that he came upon the window and estimated it was open a little 1/8: But the window was open, about an eighth of an inch, and just kind latched it. So I went back down with Fleet, we looked around for some glass again, still didnt see any glass. And I told him that I thought that the break came from when I did that last summer.
JR then tells the interviewers in 1998, ( LS, intruder theorist, is among the interviewers) that the window was open 1 before he closed it and latched it. What JR did not know or remember at the time was that FW had been in the basement between 6:30 and 7:00 am and found the window closed and unlatched. FW did not see the window as open, according to Kolar. Its also notable that JR took FW to this room to witness the broken window when the two of them searched the basement. JR leaves FW there to ponder this for a moment, while he dashes to the WC and finds JB.
JR seems to be embellishing his broken window story as he considers it over the years. Maybe an 1 opening sounds more believable than 1/8? IDK. If there is one piece of evidence of desperate staging, or a desperate story, this has to be in my top 5. moo
From the interviews, uncertainty of JR in parentheses: The whole story about how during the previous summer (or it could have been 2 or 3 times he had to get in the home this way) JR came by cab (he thinks) maybe car (no that wasnt it) and took off his suit, except for his shirt, (but maybe he left his shirt on) then kicked out a hole with his shoe, reached in and unlatched the window - seems to me like an attempt to create a logical opening for the intruder.
BTW, neither PR nor JR can figure out if the window was ever repaired. And neither LHP nor the gardener ever remember that broken window.
In year 2000 DOI was published. In DOI JR wrote that he finds the pane broken and the window open. He also sees the Samsonite suitcase there, right under it. JR muses maybe this is how the kidnapper got in and out of our house. He does not say in DOI that he forgot to mention this broken window to LE at the time, and it was 4 months later it was brought up.
So my apologies, that I cannot find logic in the story. Perhaps someone else can. Except from JR's story about entering through this window, we once again witness JR in his skivvies, as it just so frequently happens to him in his times of trial. moo :scared: mho
White, in his depo, claims to not remember if the window was closed, open or simply ajar.
Mr Ramsey claims that the window was ajar: 1/8 to one inch. I dont think he measured it and it doesnt seem a meaningful detail to remember, but he remembers that it was ajar.
I can understand Mr Ramsey, that morning, looking at that window and thinking nothing of it because 1) it was already broken and there were no signs of a new break, 2) it was normally left ajar, 3) the police had been through the basement and had made no notice of it. However, I can also understand it coming back to him later in the day, and showing it to White, because it does seem an obvious possible entry point.
I know some people find Mr Ramseys description of his basement entry to be uh strange. But, I know some people find it quite believable and some who say they could see themselves doing things in the exact same way.