Discussion in 'Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias' started by SoSueMe, May 21, 2013.
Because she told them what to do if they could reach a unanimous decision. jmo
She's quite smug to me, too. I don't know why being certain she's "right" makes her so happy today for JA. JA was convicted M1. JA is nothing to be glad about, JMO.
I keep thinking of a man who was gradually, slowly, skillfully murdered, while glamor shots of his suffering were taken.
I guess we all have our own concerns.
I have a thought - do u guys think there is one holdout which could be the tiger/bear person, and also some of the other "out there" questions. Maybe they got this person to agree with them for the other phases, but now they're holding out on death. I think it is ONE PERSON.
I would be alright with LWOP, but apparently that is not a given in AZ. This might be the sticking point for some jurors who don't necessarily want to impose a death sentence on Arias but want her to spend the rest of her natural life in prison. I would be skeptical about what JSS would do because I feel that she has been pro-defense in this case and would probably not give Jodi LWOP. :moo:
Well can't they bring in an alternative in that case?
It was Woolwich and very isolated. Last I'd read it was believed two men attacked a (presumed) soldier with a machete and a meat cleaver, deliberately to encourage armed police to respond. They did, and the two attackers were shot. Citizens reports on the ground state the man was beheaded right in front of them. Barbaric and unbelievable.
Sorry for the O/T. Prayers, of course, to the man's loved ones, whomever they may be.
This kills me. Jodi is going to be treated like royalty and a total queen in prison. So upsetting.
I watched that portion and juror#8 never said any such thing! He has been circumspect. These unfounded rumours are unforgivable.
Is there ANY possibility her M1 conviction can be overturned because of this?
MOO but hoping or thinking they should hurry up and just come back with LWOP would not be thinking about the family. The family does not want LWOP. They want Jodi on death row. They did not come all this way just to have her live out her life while they worry for what might happen. As Juan said life does NOT mean life. Lest her build a life for herself with the rest of the population while the endless possibilities hang over the family's heads. Or the continued prison interviews. Being on death row is where she belongs. Just look at her this morning, all smiles. Life is what she wants and I refuse to hope she gets it. Moo
Even if it means bring in another Jury, let's do it. I do not care at all how much money has been spent on this trial at this point. That is Jodi's fault for murdering Travis. The family should not have to bare that issue. And should it have been spent just for them to rule guilty for ALL of these things including Extreme Cruelty just to give in and give her life to save some more bucks?
As the friends of the family are tweeting, pray the Jury comes back with the right decision. I will do that.
MOO of course.
Please don't speak for Travis. I'm sorry, but I find that incredibly offensive. Will also say that his friends have indicated that he in fact was FOR the death penalty.
What really aggravates me most is that "Life" would give Nurmi/Wilmot/JA a "win".
They will be celebrating.
This is so wrong!!!!
Justice for the Alexanders would be JA gone from this world.
Then they can begin to heal.
This is the way I look at it, also. M1? - check. Extreme cruelty? - check.
Mitigating factors? - none.
I agree with Curious In Indiana:
"If the jury is deadlocked this does NOT go to the judge. A new jury has to be impaneled for this phase. That is the law in Arizona. This will leave the family hanging forever and Jodi giving interviews for months."
i don't know where this notion came from that 'liberal minded' people don't favor the DP. i'm as liberal as it gets----but i have ALWAYS believed in the DP. i think the punishment fits some crimes, and in fact, is far better punishment than they deserve.
it's like being put to sleep for surgery, for pete sake, which is actually very pleasant!
just don't assume all 'liberals' oppose the DP, because i assure you i'm not the only one who does.
In all honesty, I would have answered NO, I am against the death penalty, could not be on the jury...then along came Jodi. Imho, she's beyond BPD...she's a sociopath...she'll use whoever, even a psychiatrist's help only to learn how to manipulate and abuse more. She's dangerous, like a cobra waiting to strike and consume the victim.
We need to be fair. I have posted this several times, but it applies more than ever now. All of us who believe in the death penalty would be death penalty qualified jurors. That is an ENTIRELY different thing than putting someone to death. The difficulty is that you and I (and probably everyone of those jurors) can sit behind our screens and ask for the death penalty, but it is VERY different being one of the twelve in a small room knowing that you are part of taking someone's life. I think we know enough about this jury by now to know they were truthful, that they have weighed the evidence, and that they are strong. They have faced many hard decisions and made the difficult choice presented to them.
I have been jury coordinator on several death penalty trials. I have had one jury deadlocked. It was as painful for the one holding out as the ones who were for the death penalty. There were many tears and heartache. A jury who goes through this type of trauma together is bonded. They likely trust one another. To be a 'hold out' is a difficult thing - it rests on personal conviction about the case.
Keep in mind two things:
1. Being death penalty qualified does NOT mean you have promised to give the death penalty. Please give these jurors credit. They have sacrificed much and have deliberated carefully on all matters. If one or two believe she is too young to be put to death, they have to live with themselves later. It is important to respect the process. As much as we all sit here begging for what we want, please keep in mind that these jurors are in a much different position. They know that their individual votes will cause life or death. It is a weighty matter for ANYONE with a conscience.
2. Just because they asked what will happen does not mean they are deadlocked. They may be asking what to do.
I trust this jury. I trust the process. I am grateful to know that we have 12 strong jurors on this case. This isn't a decision to be made lightly. I promise you that even if all 12 agreed on death, no one goes home rejoicing. It is one thing to say you want the death penalty and completely another to leave the jury room with the weight on your shoulders that you just put someone to death. Entirely different. I have witnessed it.
I have deep compassion for this jury. They have been through much. My prayers are with them. I pray for the Alexanders that this can end without further trial.
I'm okay with it. For one thing, if she gets death, she'll have automatic appeals and will be a "famous" death-row inmate. If she gets life, she'll just basically fade quickly away from notice by anyone and may not even be able to find grounds for appeal. I'm also okay with death, if it goes that way; mainly because I like to see her not get anything she wants.
That's funny you mention some states.
I'm from the Live Free or Die state. Kinda sums up my view on the DP.
If CMJA can't live free, she must die for what she did to Travis.
I'm not okay with LWOP. Although she'll be locked up in a solitary cell for a few years, from the reports I've read on good behaviour after a good few years she could work her way down to medium level security. Apart from that, Travis's family want the DP. I'm with them all the way