Penn State Sandusky cover-up: AD arrested, Paterno fired, dies; cover-up charged #8

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  1. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    Please continue discussion here on the Penn State/Sandusky/Second Mile case.

    Links of interest:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153837"]Thread #1[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154517"]Thread #2[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154869"]Thread #3 [/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155320"]Thread #4[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155937"]Thread #5 [/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156985"]Thread #6[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157889"]Thread #7[/ame]


    If you have important links of interest from the other threads, please post them soon as it saves others much time having to click back and find them!
     
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  3. pinktoes

    pinktoes New Member

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    JJ: This probably doesn't matter, but just to add to your bank of historical knowledge about Gricar, here you go:

    You said, "As far as I know, Patty Fornicola (PEF) has no relatives in Ohio...."

    Might not be any longer. But in 2002, one of Gino's daughters was living in Ohio (married name):

    "Cristina Brandt of Westerville, Ohio...."

    From Gino's obit, at:
    http://www.obitcentral.com/obitsearch/obits/pa/pa-centre1.htm
     
  4. J. J. in Phila

    J. J. in Phila Verified Insider

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    From Pinktoes:

    Amendola's request doesn't have anything to do with other cases Gricar looked at. He is asking what other reports the grand jury looked at.
     
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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7590037&postcount=579"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #7[/ame]


    I'm not sure it the "boys" psychological file.

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    What do you mean?
     
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    Reader New Member

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    (snip) A lot of the others, you have a victim, but no corroboration. The only ones where there is some semblance of both are 2007 and 1998. 1998 is not serious as many of the others; no rape is claimed.
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    What about the victim who claimed to be raped numerous times in the horror house basement and screamed for help but dear Dottie just couldn't hear him?
     
  7. J. J. in Phila

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    1. I don't think a wife can be compelled to testify against a husband.

    2. She may testify that she never heard anything.
     
  9. Reader

    Reader New Member

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    I see what you meant now but think the victim's testimony will be very compelling.

    Part of what the prosecutors and expert witnesses will explain is that these types of crimes are not done in front of onlookers but the predator makes all efforts to keep them in the dark. Just because there is not a direct witness does not mean it didn't happen.
     
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    Reader New Member

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    I found this section to be interesting:


    http://www.yardbird.com/pdfs/Sandusky_discovery_motion_2-6-12.pdf
     
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    Filly KICKING AND SHINING

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    Just popping in to share and say thank you to all that care about the victims here.

    While making supper I hear my elderly mom go to the air I guess "well ***** anybody can see this guy got a screw loose. There's something wrong with this guy". I go to see who it is and of course it's Sandusky.

    She then asks me who the lady in the purple scarf is and I explain and she goes "She's worse than him. She should be held responsible". I'm no lawyer so I couldn't explain.

    Prayers for the still suffering victims.
     
  13. J. J. in Phila

    J. J. in Phila Verified Insider

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    First, the prosecution might be okay on spousal privilege: http://pennacrimlaw.com/spousal-privilege-in-pennsylvania-when-your-spouse-doesnt-have-to-testify/

    The request, in regard to the 1998 incident, says:

    There was further reporting prepared on this incident that a
    psychological evaluation was conducted and a report prepared by John P. Seasock, a psychologist, of an unknown individual.


    Victim 6, B. K., Sandusky? They had six week before RFG's decision. Again, I'm not sure if it was the victim.
     
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    Reader New Member

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    In this 12/29 letter to the AG's office why does Amendola refer to the defendant JS as 'her' and 'herself'?

    (the yardbird link)




    Her/herself; psych/medical records of all victims 1-10; cartridge cases; bullets??
     
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    Right, from your link on privilege:

    (4) in any criminal proceeding in which one of the charges pending against the defendant includes murder, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse or rape.

    We had discussed this exception before in a former thread.

    For the psych/medical records request, see my next post.
     
  16. J. J. in Phila

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    Knowing a little bit about how Amendola's office is run, I think it was a typo. He first blamed his secretary for this fiasco:

    http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-21396-a-new-challenge-for-the-media-unpublishing.html

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4284031

    He is a very good lawyer. ;)

    I'd suspect the others are boiler plate language. It is included generally to cover everything.
     
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    That is about as close to Cleveland as Pittsburgh is. That is a cousin. Gino lived in Toledo, but that was before Patty was born.
     
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    Like I said, it might be of no import. I just appreciate your being a stickler for the facts. And thought you'd want to know that Patty F did, in fact, have a relative living in Ohio. Could matter to you someday to know that; or not. Doesn't matter to me, but it could matter someday. Who knows?
     
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    Is this the psychological we're trying to figure out? The one in Amendola's Motion to Compel that refers to the 1998 incident and says, "...There was further reporting prepared on this incident that a psychological evaluation was conducted and a report prepared by John P. Seasock, a psychologist, of an unknown individual. The Attorney General's response to Defendant's discovery request failed to provide this psychological evaluation report prepared by Dr. Seasock and to identify the patient...."

    Could be anybody involved in the incident. Just seems commonsensical that if it were Sandusky, he'd know that and that Amendola wouldn't particularly want further documentation on it.

    link to the full pdf:
    http://www.yardbird.com/pdfs/Sandusky_discovery_motion_2-6-12.pdf

    BTW, Seasock specializes in sex abuse victims and does a lot of forensic psychology. I've seen his name about at professional conferences here and there, as well as in court cases in PA. Never met him; know nothing about his reputation.
     
  20. J. J. in Phila

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    You are casting too wide a net. The cousin doesn't live near where Wiley disappeared (Hinckley Township) and might not have been living there in 1985, when Wiley disappeared.

    The cousin happens to be living within about 10 miles of one of RFG's nephews. Is that significant? No.

    We also saw, over the past summer, the "Utah Mystery Man" that bore a facial resemblance to RFG. His eyes were a different color and he was two inches taller. For days, we had to go through that.

    Can we just be a bit conservative in trying to find links between these things? It adds to the value of the board. :)
     
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    Good old Joe. JJ: Did Joe tell you that the addition of those newspapers to his client's expungement orders were his secretary's fault? If so, that doesn't even make sense in the context of the other quote in the link you provided. He said that expunging a criminal record should extend to the media. So, he slipped those newspaper names into the expungement orders, figuring (correctly) that the judges wouldn't read them very closely.

    That was corrected by the judges. (And so was Joe) He tried to pull a fast one. From your link:

    "Attorney Joe Amendola, who represents the defendants, had added the two newspapers to the standard expungement orders he prepared for the judges’ signatures. The judges apparently signed without reading.

    Amendola explained the background to the unorthodox addition to the standard expungement order. He said that an earlier client was having trouble finding employment despite having her criminal record expunged. Prospective employers Googled her name and found a 1992 Collegian article detailing her crime.

    “What’s the sense in having your record expunged if anyone can Google you and it comes up,” he said."

    http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-21396-a-new-challenge-for-the-media-unpublishing.html
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    BTW, it has been posted here hasn't it that Amendola was the defense attorney for another child sex offender in that area? The one I know of is Christopher G. Lee, of Boalsburg Mansion in Boalsburg. Amendola represented him. Mike Madeira, within his legal discretion as DA, gave Lee an ARD and Lee was allowed to have his criminal record expunged. (Amendola has experience in expunging things.). But, there's still a trace of it on the vile, hard-to-expunge-unless-you-can-slip-it-by-the-judge Internet. Like here:

    "...Christopher G. Lee, a Harris Township supervisor and Boal Mansion CEO, was represented by Amendola after he was charged with three counts of indecent assault on 8-and 10- year-old boys. Lee entered an accelerated rehabilitative disposition program in which he did not enter either a guilty or not-guilty plea...."

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/16/130460/sanduskys-lawyer-amendola-is-now.html#storylink=cpy

    There are photos around of Paterno with Lee, too. Another child predator who runs with the monied crowd in State College.
     
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