Discussion in 'Recently Sentenced and Beyond' started by Salem, Dec 21, 2010.
Welcome Cole Thompson :seeya: I look forward to reading your book as well.
You could be right. Seems it would be less expensive
Peru has first dibbs.
They should allow for a US trial ... all the US has to do is ensure that v.d.Sloot will be returned to Peru at the end of the US trial.
It's simply my opinion that the Voice of the Victim should not be distributing photos of the crime scene and describing the brutality of the murder. That's over the top sensationalism ... too much information. It adds nothing.
We care. We don't need the gory details. We can figure out that if this is v.d.Sloot's MO, this is why Natalie disappeared and how she was killed. He doesn't have two MOs ... one where Natalie passed out and he secretly hid her body and another where he violently loses his temper and beats a woman to death. What victim is Nancy Grace aiding when she shows pictures of Natalie beside Stephanie and then describes what happened to Stephanie? Who is this talking head helping?
I have never believed that Stephanie looked at Joran's laptop and saw something about Natalie. She doesn't look like she would snoop while he was in the bathroom or elsewhere. I think he got her to go to his room because he was going to try to get into her pants and then ask her for a loan. She had won big money a few nights before and he probably thought he could borrow a few thousand. She probably said no to sex and he hit her in the face and she fought back and he killed her. Much to his surprise she had a few hundred on her and not thousands. He took that money, credit cards and her car. I think Joran probably thinks every girl should just lay down for him and she refused. He had made a comment to someone not long before that the girls weren't paying much attention to him and he just couldn't understand why. He has a very high opinion of himself and how dare anyone say "no."
I think he's toast. Even if he manages to reduce his 28 year sentence to 10 with good behavior and educational enthusiasm, he faces another 30 in the US, and that won't change with good behavior. That makes him 82 years old as potentially the earliest date that he could be released. He won't be preying on women in the Aruban sun anytime soon.
His mother said that if he did it, she would not visit him in a Peruvian prison. I wonder if she will ever see him again - somehow, I doubt it.
Before I log off for the night I'd like to add one last photo. We didn't have room for Joran's fingerprint spread in the book, but I've always wanted it released. If Joran did commit other murders, perhaps his fingerprints could be useful to other law enforcement agencies throughout the world. Please spread his prints far and wide.
Thanks, Cole! I suspect he's commited more than the two murders we know of.
Clearly you're passionate about this case and not just here to promote your book (which was terrific) and I appreciate that so much. I hope you'll continue to provide your valuable insights and opinions with us.
I don't think so either. I think that v.d.Sloot was willing to do anything to get some extra cash so he could return home. He had missed his flight from Aruba to the Netherlands for psychiatrist assessment, so it was safe to return home. He needed the money, he wanted the money and he was on edge and filled with a couple of drinks to the point where he thought he was clever and could get away with it.
I wonder if his father told him that he was clever when he was in the casino at the age of 14. Surely his father said to him, from time to time, that he was good at gambling - when there was a win with Joran calling the shots (what better way to teach than by example, tral and error). Wasn't Paul's explanation about what he did the morning after the disappearance that he went to the bank to deposit his son's casino winnings - even though v.d.Sloot junior was only 17 years old? Why would his father be so prompt with the bank deposit if it wasn't routine? Why didn't me make the deposit on the weekend weekend or a time when it didn't conflict with going to work? Seems odd. I hope Anita is prepared for a lot more scrutiny into what really went on while she was in the Netherlands and Natalie went missing.
I agree. I think Joran just made that up to TRY and have some kind of justification for his temper tantrum. I don't think she did anything wrong, other than to fall for his 'nice guy' act that he put on for her. He wanted her to come back to his room so he could beg, borrow or steal more $$$$$$$.
Why hasn't Thailand brought charges against JVDS for the women they suspect went missing while he was running his sex trade business? Maybe this was just an Enquirer story....Cole?
Where did you get that from? Link? I don't think he had any intention of going to the Netherlands for any assessment or treatment. Nor do I believe that Anita had any such thing scheduled. In fact, he left a note for his mother telling her not worry, that he was going to Peru for a poker tournament. I don't recall anything about him missing a flight.
Thanks. I lost my own younger brother this past October. Until then I don't think I truly understood the anguish the sudden and violent loss of a loved one creates. I think about the Holloway and Flores families every day. I imagine Joran's conviction is of some relief to both families, but the void created by their loss will be with them forever.
I see that immaturity is a recurring theme with psychopaths and non-psychopathic killers. Examples.
Osama bin Laden?
Interestingly, they are also the most hated people.
I'm so sorry! I think that's what brings (and keeps) many of us here fighting for justice.
Portrait of a Monster is so common these days ... v.d.Sloot is different in a very dangerous way. He appeared and functioned normally, aside from behavioral problems, until the age of 16 or 17. Even his girlfriend confirms that he was a romantic, lovesick tween. Since that time, it seems that he cannot deal with skeptical disagreement, especially with women. His response is violence ... vicious, prolonged, violent physical aggression.
Van der Sloot likes control and hates people disagreeing with him. He wants to live a "millionaire playboy" lifestyle without working.
82? sorry but your math and facts are wrong.
iirc, it was said he could get out in peru in 9-14 years...
(btw, he received a 28 year sentence but he's only got 26 more years to serve with time served)
he's 24 now
peru sentence: 24+14 (max time)=38
US sentence: 38+30=68
using your 10 years: 24+10+30=64
btw, i don't find crime scene pics "sensational". that is your opinion. i stand by my opinion of the value of the pics. you'll have to ask NG why she posts them ??
That should be 62 ... if he is released in Peru in 10 years, plus 30 years in a US privon, he will be 62 years old when he returns to Aruba. He should be completely mad and unable to function in society after all that prison time ... so the Dutch will likely/hopefully ship him away to an instituion ... end of story. I doubt either of his brothers wll vouch for him. We know his mother won't. If Joran had listened to his mother, he would have taken this 62 year route (psychiatric assessment in the Netherlands over hard prison in Peru). He wouldn't have murdered Stephanie. If he hadn't successfully extorted $25k from his first victim's mother, Stephanie's murder would not have happened. Instead, he was tempted by that 25k, that fifth anniversary and that arrogance.
Even if he was released from prison at the age of 62, there is nothing for him. He has no bridges. No one in Aruba wants to see him, not even his family. No one in the Netherlands wants to see him either, but if he goes tere, I suspect he will be immediately institutionalized. No one wants someone like that roaming the streets ... not even the Dutch.
His mother and her brother apparently had everything in place for a psychiatric assessment before he fled ... Joran disappeared to Peru on the newly acquired $25k rather than show up for his flight to the Netherlands ... leaving only a note to his mother about not worrying. According to early reports (IIRC), he was a waste of a person after returning home for his father's funeral, sleeping until noon and then lounging around until the next day. He was not studying, working or doing anything other than indulging himself, cooking up schemes and riding his motorcycle.