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Pineapple Rules Out Intruder

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by BlueCrab, Feb 28, 2005.

  1. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    There was no intruder. JonBenet would not have sat down at the breakfast room table late at night, after the parents had gone to bed, and snacked on pineapple alone with an intruder one hour before she died. There's lots of evidence that Burke was with JonBenet when she snacked on the pineapple, not an intruder.

    Yet, IMO, there was also evidence that a fifth person was in the house that night, and that's how all of the missing crime scene evidence disappeared (the roll of black duct tape, the white cord, the stun gun, the wipedown cloth, etc.)

    The autopsy report stated JonBenet's stomach contained no food. However, there were fragments of (not well chewed) pineapple in the "proximal (beginning) portion" of the small intestine. There was no other food in the remainder of the small intestine. There was green fecal matter in the large intestine.

    JonBenet died about 1 hour after eating the pineapple. Depending mainly on what is eaten and how much is eaten, food takes about 1 to 3 hours to leave the stomach and enter the small intestine. The food then takes about 4 to 8 hours to travel the length of the small intestine and enter the large intestine, and finally takes about 3 to 6 hours to travel the length of the large intestine before being evacuated. (The average meal takes about 13 hours from the time it is eaten to when it is totally digested and evacuated as fecal matter.)

    Fruit, when eaten alone, digests very quickly. Thus, the pineapple would have been at the beginning of JonBenet's small intestine if eaten about 1 hour before she died. The cracked crab meal she ate at the White's dinner party around 6 or 7 that evening would have been the green fecal matter in the large intestine.

    The bowl of fresh pineapple that JonBenet had snacked from was on the breakfast room table, as was a water glass containing a used tea bag, and a large box of Kleenex. A giant silver serving spoon stuck ridiculously out of the small white bowl containing the pineapple. Burke Ramsey's fingerprints were on the bowl. Burke was also the resident tea drinker.

    The 4 Ramseys sat at their own places when dining in the breakfast room (they seldom used the formal dining room). The bowl of pineapple was near where JonBenet normally sat, and the empty water glass was near where Burke normally sat.

    The fingerprints and the pineapple and the empty glass of tea at the table makes it obvious that Burke and JonBenet were likely together about 1 hour before JonBenet died. But why were they secretly downstairs in the middle of the night? Were they waiting for someone to show up who they both knew very well? Were they waiting for the fifth person in the house that night to make his appearance? Is that why the outside security light was turned off that night after being left on for years?

    Were they innocently waiting for the killer?

    BlueCrab
     
  2. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Active Member

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    I can see making hot tea by using the tea bag in a cup/mug, but in a glass? I've always found that strange. Would he have heated the water in the microwave?
     
  3. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    Nehemiah,

    Probably. And besides the hot tea in a water glass, doesn't the whole picture seem juvenile? A giant serving spoon stuck in a tiny bowl isn't something an adult would do either.
     
  4. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    BlueCrab:

    Yes the pineapple snacking is curious. Even more curious is only Burkes and Patsy's fingerprints were on that bowl, and not JonBenet's.

    I'm assuming her fingerprints are not on the giant serving spoon either. So just how did she eat? By dipping her hand in as she felt like it.

    "Were they innocently waiting for the killer?" Or was this the special secret xmas visit ?
     
  5. sissi

    sissi Former Member

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    It was about two weeks ago when our four year old had the stomach bug, during which time he vomited his six hour old dinner. I knew we had finished dinner at six, and he got up sick at midnight. Over at the other forum, it was suggested his digestion was slowed by illness. Another presented a medical paper describing the action of vomiting, and how contents from the small intestines can empty along with stomach contents. This happened, it was six hours, so I can safely say I have proof in the case of at least ONE child that food is still recognizable SIX HOURS after ingestion. Where was it? In his stomach or in his small intestine? I have no clue, but I do know it was not fully digested and was still recognizable.
    I would bet Jonbenet ate that pineapple while running around the house before going to the Whites. I would suspect, as well, that IF she was stunned that this action would slow or stop digestion. Stunning turns sugars into lactic acid and stops the body's energy, can ya' digest without energy?
    I wouldn't think so?

    http://www.securityprousa.com/stgunandtagu.html
     
  6. BeeBee

    BeeBee Retired WS Staff

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    Ok, am I wrong or was it said that the contents in JonBenets stomach looked like pineapple? And, that Linda Arndt (being there during the autopsy) was the one who suggested that the material in the stomach looked like Pineapple? So, was it?
     
  7. RedChief

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    BlueCrab,

    Bravo! And very well written indeed.

    Do we now when JonBenet finished eating the cracked crab? Do we even know that she ate cracked crab? Who can tell us? She was served a plate, but did she eat it? What did she eat at the Whites' and when?

    In DOI, John reports that they left the White's at around 8:30 after eating dinner, making paper jewelry, listening to carolers, etc. It's not clear whether the Ramseys waited for Fleet and Fleet Jr. to return from their round of caroling before the Ramseys departed.

    So, let's apply some math to the statistics you've given us. Working backward, and assuming that the green fecal matter in the large intestine was near the proximal end of the intestine, 4 to 8 hours before it arrived there it was just exiting the stomach, and 1 to 3 hours before that it had been ingested. Using the smaller of the two sets of figures we obtain 5 hours from the time the food was ingested until she was killed, and using the larger figures we obtain 11 hours. So we can estimate that somewhere between 5 and 11 hours after she ate at the Whites', she died. Within that time frame she also ingested pineapple. Applying the math again, she would have eaten the pineapple somewhere between 4 to 10 hours after she had eaten the crab at the Whites'. Since we don't know when exactly she ate crab at the Whites, we have to make some assumptions. If we assume she ate cracked crab minutes before leaving the Whites', then we can calculate that she ate pineapple 4 to 10 hours later, and since, if we can believe John, they left the Whites at 8:30, we can calculate that she ate pineapple somewhere between 11:30 PM and 6:30 AM. If we assume she ate cracked crab an hour or so before leaving the Whites, say at 7:30, then we can calculate that she ate pineapple somewhere between 10:30 PM and 5:30 AM. If we assume that she ate cracked crab two hours or so before leaving the Whites', say at 6:30, then we can calculate that she ate pineapple somewhere between 9:30 PM and 4:30 AM. It was around 9:30 AM, according to John, in DOI, that he put Burke to bed. According to John, JonBenet had already been put to bed. If you use the earliest time, 9:30 PM, for the eating of the pineapple, you have it eaten just as Burke was going to bed, according to John. So they could have begun snacking on pineapple soon after Burke had gone to bed. Obviously you could allow that at any time between 9:30 PM and 4:30 AM, the kids could have been up eating pineapple. You would probably be safe in assuming that they had eaten the pineapple prior to 1:30 AM. We are getting close to your 1:18, and would probably be justified in assuming that they had eaten it sooner, since, as you say, fruit digests quickly, so let's guess it was eaten at around midnight. That would give the fruit 1 hour and 18 minutes to digest and would make the time of death 1:18. Voila!
     
  8. BlueCrab

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    Sissi,

    There is no evidence of JonBenet having vomited. The coroner would have been able to detect any abnormalities in the mucosa of the esophagus, the stomach, or the intestine had a vomiting episode occurred.

    Those people over at the other site have invented an occurrence from thin air in order to try to defeat the pineapple evidence, because they know the pineapple evidence proves there was no intruder.

    BlueCrab
     
  9. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    BeeBee,

    The pineapple from JonBenet's small intestine was frozen and saved for further analysis in the lab, as was the pineapple in the bowl. Two biology professors did the analysis, and their conclusion was that the pineapple in the bowl was the source of the pineapple found in JonBenet's small intestine.
     
  10. Miss Daisey

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    Blue Crab,

    There was no evidence to vomitting? Wasn't there an article of JonBenet's clothing wet, and wadded left in her bathroom?
     
  11. BlueCrab

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    Miss Daisey,

    That article of clothing was the red turtleneck that Patsy wanted JonBenet to wear to the White's, but JonBenet refused. It ended up in the sink.
     
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    Blue Crab,

    "she refused" ? How does a 6yr old refuse ? Perhaps some of those bruises were the results of the "board of education" prior to dinner at the White's?
     
  13. BlueCrab

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    Miss Daisey,

    There is no evidence of the Ramseys having ever administered corporal punishment on their children.
     
  14. sissi

    sissi Former Member

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    No, I wasn't trying to suggest she vomited, although a possibility, I was however showing that in the case of our child, six hours after dinner ,his food was obviously either in his stomach or small intestine.
     
  15. sissi

    sissi Former Member

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    How does a six year old refuse? Children can and do make choices ,that we don't particularly agree with, every day. Sometimes we must draw the line, if for example they want to wear summer shorts out in the snow, but most often their refusal to go along with our choices just shows their ability to think and assert themselves. Isn't this a good thing?
     
  16. BlueCrab

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    RedChief,

    It was nearly impossible to determine when JonBebenet ate the cracked crab. The crab was just one of a wide collection of hors d'oeuvres the White's served before dinner. Both JonBenet and Burke enjoyed seafood. The actual dinner, turkey, was served pretty late.

    JOHN RAMSEY: "I'd guess; it's purely a guess, but it seemed like it was sevenish probably that we sat down to eat."

    JonBenet loved cracked crab and little hot dogs with barbecue sauce, both of which were available for a long time prior to dinner being served.

    JOHN RAMSEY: "I remember her specifically, Priscilla, coming over with this big plate of cracked crab, making little plates, and I wanted to save these out for JonBenet and she took them out and put them in the plate."

    LOU SMIT: "Did JonBenet like that?"

    JOHN RAMSEY: "I don't remember if she ate it, but, yeah, she would have liked it."

    LOU SMIT: "What time did you leave the White's party?"

    JOHN RAMSEY: "I think we left at about between 8:30 and 9:00.

    BlueCrab
     
  17. Seeker

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    1st I've never seen anything stating that turkey was served as the actual dinner that night.
    The autopsy does not state that it actually was pinapple in her system. "fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vagetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pinapple."

    2nd The assumption that the "intruder" was a stranger is just that, an assumption.

    There is no way to know if there was factually an "intruder" or not, or if there was if it was someone unknown and unfamiliar with JonBenet or the house. Only someone familiar with the house, IMO would have hidden JonBenet in that back windowless room. Intruder does not automatically mean someone that the Ramsey's didn't know.
     
  18. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    Seeker,

    The turkey (from the 1998 interviews):

    LOU SMIT: "I would like to just know, perhaps, what you ate or whether the children ate, or if it was different, or how things were set up."

    JOHN RAMSEY : "Well, all I can specifically remember was the cracked crab. I think they had a turkey dinner. But I think she made, she always makes these little hot dogs with barbecue sauce that the kids love."


    The pineapple (from the 2000 interviews):

    MIKE KANE: "Have you had any forensic people look into the issue of the pineapple that was found in JonBenet's digestive tract?"

    LIN WOOD: "Let me ask you this, Michael. Are you stating as a matter of fact that it was pineapple without any question?"

    MIKE KANE: "That was stated two years ago in the interview. Yes. There is no doubt about it."

    LIN WOOD: "Are you stating it as fact?"

    MIKE KANE: "Lou Smit told Mr. Ramsey that too."

    LIN WOOD: "I just want to make sure it's clear that you're stating it as a matter of fact and not opinion that it is pineapple."

    MIKE KANE: "It is pineapple."

    BlueCrab
     
  19. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    Seeker,


    Dictionary definition: INTRUDE: "to thrust oneself in without invitation, permission, or welcome".

    If Burke and JonBenet innocently but purposely let the killer into the house late that night, then that person wouldn't be an intruder.

    In my BDI theories I call that person "the fifth person in the house that night".

    If that person had thrust himself in without invitation, permission, or welcome, I would have called that person "an intruder".

    There was no intruder. The pineapple evidence proves it. JonBenet would not have sat at the breakfast room table and snacked on pineapple with an intruder. The tea and the fingerprints show that Burke was the one at the table with JonBenet, not an intruder. But why were Burke and JonBenet secretly downstairs together in the middle of the night after the parents had gone to bed?

    The question is -- if they were waiting for someone to show up so they could let him in, WHO was it?

    BlueCrab
     
  20. jaeger

    jaeger New Member

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    I can testify to that as well. My daughter ate canned peas before 6:00 p.m. and vomited undigested and completely recognizable peas more than six hours later.
     

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