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Ping Map and Movements for July 2, 2008 - Discuss that day only

Discussion in 'Resource Links, Case Calendar & Time Lines' started by Georgia PI, Oct 21, 2008.

  1. Georgia PI

    Georgia PI New Member

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  2. AZlawyer

    AZlawyer Verified Attorney

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    Wow...that ping 2 in the very very early morning is interesting.
     
  3. Georgia PI

    Georgia PI New Member

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    From the Calendar




     
  4. AZlawyer

    AZlawyer Verified Attorney

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    So on the morning of July 2 she takes Tony's jeep out in what she would consider the middle of the night (before 5 am) (ping 2), then comes back and washes clothes, then writes Diary of Days, then makes a tattoo appointment for the next day (pings before 7 pm)? This may be a more important day than I thought.....
     
  5. shadow of my mind

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    I think Caylee was placed in the trunk either right at death and stayed there for 2.6 days, removed and placed in a sealed container and then in that container put back in the trunk. Or was hidden somewhere, placed in the trunk at the time of 2.6 days of decomp, transported to the A's and placed into a sealed container and then disposed of at a later date. I also think she was moved more than once. I also think that a chlorine bucket would seal tight enough to keep the odor of a dead body contained. They smell like chlorine but I think that may be because it is a caustic chemical. A body is not caustic like chlorine and would not leach out through the plastic like chlorine does, at least not in a relativity short period of time. There is also the possibility of an ice chest. They are made of heavy plastic and the newer ones have lock down lids.

    Something caused Casey to have night swears starting at least by July 5 as per Tony. They may have started right after he left on June 30th but she was not having then prior to him leaving on June 30th.
    What caused them to start? I would think that had she already disposed of poor Caylee right after the 2.6 days then there would not be the 2 or more week delay in the night sweating sleeping problems.
    I think that Casey ended up having to handle her dead body or at least see what it looked like many days after the 2.6 time frame time, close to June 30th maybe a few days before; long enough to have it affect her mind during her sleep.

    I just cannot pinpoint what day was the day she finally disposed of her body or where. Casey actions with her cell phone point to a couple of different days and several different locations that are outside her normal travel. I will hazard to say between June 24 and July 3 as the final disposal. Prior to that I am having trouble with Casey riding around with a dead body in the trunk, in a container or not, but I am not sure where she would be hidden otherwise. Casey was not a planner and obviously felt that everyone believed whatever she told anyone but ….I just thought of something….. Did Casey have Caylee hidden in Ricardo’s garage inside of some container?

    Casey came walking up from the garage Casey said she had been washing clothes.
    Page 1300 Lines 9-12 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf

    I went back and re-read this part Ricardo leaves for work about 10:35 or 10:40 and he noticed Casey was not on the couch but he saw her coming from the garage so that is how he knew she had stayed over night July 1 for him to see her the morning of July 2.

    7/2/08 WED 1:42 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 4:01 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 9286 Casey A. 0.7 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 4:48 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
    7/2/08 WED 4:48 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
    7/2/08 WED 4:50 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 8191 Ryan P. No Long/Lat Association
    7/2/08 WED 4:50 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 8191 Ryan P. 1.0 Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
    7/2/08 WED 7:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:46 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:47 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:49 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:50 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 8:01 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 4909 Anthony Home 22.3 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 9:01 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 8750 Ricardo M. Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 9:16 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 8750 Ricardo M. Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 9:53 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 10:29 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) 0.7 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 11:11 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House

    Casey checks her voice mail at 4:01AM off of tower 37, Amy & Ricardo’s and goes to the vicinity of tower 22, the A’s and then makes a text to Tony at 4:48AM off of tower 22, then the last one to Ryan P. at 4:50AM off tower 37 and then no activity again until 7:44AM back at tower 37, Amy & Ricardo’s so that means that she was up and out and somewhere in the area of the Anthony home for at least 45 minuets if not longer. Ricardo is correct about seeing Casey at his place before going to work since she made a phone call at 10:29AM to Tony. This time coincides with the time he would be going out to get in his car for work. Casey’s phone activity is so strange even for her from June 30th through the early evening of July 4th.



    I keep trying to reconcile the dog hits in the back yard with the shovel with the race to the car trunk with George to the cell pings and the dumping the car on June 27 and still wanting a gas can on June 30th from Amy.

    There is something about this night that is important. She is also back down by the mall in the early evening, then all the way up toward the A's then back to the Fusion area and end up back at Amy and Ricardo's. She even texted Amy to find out when
    Amy was going to be leaving work.. She did not want to be alone?

    So if she was not at the A's and Lee has never said she was at his place in the middle of the night on July 2 then where was she for those 45 minuets pinging off of tower 22.

    Does anyone have any idea the ping radius distance is off of that tower and how to find the direction based on those handy dandy CID numbers that make no sense to me. I want to find out what is in that radius and then I would love to figure out how far she could get if she turned her phone off and went somewhere that we have not even thought of. Take the time from about 5AM to 7:45Am and divide in half. How far out could she have gone and then gotten back?
     
  6. JWG

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    An intriguing day. Here are some cell pings that have piqued my interest:

    12:14:11 PM Ricardo's
    12:22:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    12:32:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    12:43:00 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    1:05:06 PM Ricardo's

    The pings from the "Area consistent with Baez Orlando office" are rare even though Baez's Orlando office is just 1.5 miles from Ricardo's. Other than a brief ping the afternoon of July 15, these are the only pings consistent with that location (during business hours).

    So if KC met with Baez on the 2nd ... why. :waitasec:
     
  7. JWG

    JWG Active Member

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    I wanted to open a thread to drill down on the observations many have made in the past regarding the odd trip KC took to her parent's neighborhood in the wee hours of July 2. Most recently Bond and AZlawyer have revisited this event and helped crystallize it by putting it in perspective with other things happening around that time.

    Sleuth away!
     
  8. JWG

    JWG Active Member

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    Quoting from the sources:


    AZ's "WTF??" is priceless, isn't it?
     
  9. Imbackon

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    Writing fro iPhone so this will be brief.
    It's safe to say she was not there to dispose of Caylee at such a late date. I can't imagine she would risk going there for any reason of dumping something else unless it is to add false evidence like has been surmised. She was so sloppy I can't imagine she suddenly realized there was something left that would incrimnate since she left behind the Disney bag and other things from the house.
    So what would she plant that has not shown up in doc dumps yet is the 64000 question?
     
  10. JBean

    JBean Retired WS Administrator

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    I moved the whole day's information down to this forum for awhile.
     
  11. JWG

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    Hey JBean, the reason I started the unique thread was because I think that trip is better understood in the context of June 1 and June 3, not just June 2. In fact, I was working on an updated timeline that crossed those days. Is it possible to restore that thread for a while to see where it goes?
     
  12. TallyHo

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    JWG - Did you ever figure out if she really did go to Baez's office that day, or just somewhere that was in the general area?
     
  13. Imbackon

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    I know atty RH intimated he thought it hinky how fast JB was on the case. He wrote in depth about it in his blog.
    But what would Casey have said to some attorney
    Ummm, I might be getting in trouble soon? You wouldn't tell even an attorney, my daughter has been kidnapped, I haven't told anyone yet, but in case I get arrested I think we need to talk? And she certainly wouldn't have said she murdered and disposed of her daughter prior to even the folks knowing she is missing.
    Doesn't make sense.

    ps. don't forget this is 10 minute KC, no planning needed
     
  14. BondJamesBond

    BondJamesBond Blunt Instrument

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    *snipped*

    AZ & Shadow...you guys had this nailed back in Oct/Nov '08 :clap:

    I'm in the process of creating a custom ping map image that I'll post to illustrate what we're discussing.
     
  15. BondJamesBond

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    The area shaded in red in the illustration above shows the area pinged @ 4:50AM 7/2 when Casey talked w/ Ryan. The illustration is a little simplified since I only extended the radius 1.5 miles away from the cell towers and the coverage can extend well beyond that range. I also didn't show the tower that is located south of G&C's for simplicity. Need to stress that this isn't conclusive...IOW, Casey could've been anywhere in the shaded area or even slightly beyond it in the same direction as shown...to a limit where other towers would be more likely to pick up & carry her calls.

    One observation worth noting is that the disposal site (and Lee's house, and Brackenwood house) are slightly closer to the tower that carried the 4:50AM calls than the tower to the east shown with blue radii. This supports Casey being in the area of Lee's, Brackenwood, and G&C's houses somewhat since had she been closer to the 'blue' tower, it would've been more likely to carry the calls.

    I also used Google to check the travel time per Shadow's thinking above. Depending on the route taken, the time to drive from Ricardo & Amy's Glenwood apt. to the Suburban Dr. disposal site ranges between 19-25 minutes. So, with the pings between the two locations being 46 minutes apart (4:02AM last ping @ R&M's & 4:48AM first ping in the sector shown), there was ample time to make the trip.

    In context, IMHO, it is highly, highly likely Casey returned to the disposal site 7/2 sometime after 4:30AM.
     
  16. zoey

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    Haven't read all of the posts BUT has anyone considered that the reason for the hanging out by the a's could be looking for her car??--remember when c&g fetched it they took out the battery for some reason or another--
     
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    suepitzl Sue in Phoenix

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    Can we speculate how long she may have remained in this area?
    EDIT: Just read Shadows post....she may have been at the remains site for about 45mins?

    Interesting, this is the day AH alleges Casey stole $400 cash from her then a few days later Casey takes Amy to the airport for the PR trip and proceeds to steal more from Amy in the way of checks..
     
  19. Macushla

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    Is it possible she was planning to run? these early am wanderings were to check one final time that all was still covered or at least not uncovered. Then for some reason on the 3rd, she changed her mind?
     
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    IIRC, Scott P also returned to the scene. The police were having him tailed, he drove to the lake where he'd dumped Lacey, and sat there in his car staring out over the water for awhile. That helped nail him. A police interview I read mentioned that "they always return to the scene". That's why they were following him. I believe KC also was drawn to the scene, needed to drive by when it was safe, in TL's car at night. I'm thinking she at least drove by the scene, or possibly sat in the car there for awhile. Too bad LE wasn't aware at the time to have her followed. :(
     

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