Ping Map and Timeline for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only.

Discussion in 'Resource Links, Case Calendar & Time Lines' started by Georgia PI, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Chilly Willy

    Chilly Willy New Member

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    Well, we don't know if he mentioned the phone call or not, or if he even reached Casey. Maybe he left a voice message - would that show up as phone call? 25 seconds would be an incredibly short phone call, especially if it was, as you seem to suspect, part of a murder cover-up.
     


  2. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    I doubt that Cindy spent much time in the back yard with no one around. George at work no Casey no Caylee.
     
  3. Themis

    Themis Registered User

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    I'll remove it too. Misinformation.
     
  4. faefrost

    faefrost New Member

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    Yes and no. They will not make meticulous plans about each step for several weeks. But they may decide to do something and determine the straightest path to it. The crime itself would not be so much a sudden act of emotion. Rather the Sociopath would make a decision, then simply work out how to get there and how to deal with it as they go along. There really is no rage or emotion involved. They make the decision to act (premeditation) then simply take each step one at a time to get there, and not really thinking beyond the imediate problem.

    (at least thats how my old college roomate, now a forensic psychiatrist once explained it to me. If I remember it correctly.)
     
  5. Pink Panther

    Pink Panther Well-Known Member

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    No. I didn't say I suspected anything of the sort. I simply pointed out that he doesn't seem to have mentioned that call.
     
  6. CitizenKim

    CitizenKim Sleuthy for Truthiness.

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    I think this makes a lot of sense. I wonder where her "hideout" was? I didn't realize that w/the heat kids could die in as little as 50 mins - I just found an article where that very thing happened. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-08-06-hyperthermia-in-cars_N.htm

    That baby didn't die immediately but was in serious distress. I wonder if Caylee was in heat stroke but barely alive when Casey came home and put the ladder back on the pool- trying to cool her down? Flurry of phone calls when this didn't work? Then Caylee didn't make it and Casey left her by the pool while she freaked out? :mad::furious: There's the ladder explained as well as the cadaver hits in the bkyd.
     
  7. athy

    athy Well-Known Member

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    nope i don't have one either and don't want one. figure if i'm away from the house i don't want to be called. don't want a leash
     
  8. Chilly Willy

    Chilly Willy New Member

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    The problem I have with the 'trying to find a babysitter' idea is that Casey had already told George and, according to his interview, also Cindy, that she would be working and then spending the night at Zanny's with Caylee. When she left the house at 12:50, she already had plans and they did not include needing a sitter.
     
  9. Themis

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    Legally, the term premeditation means something very different than what you are thinking in your post. Legally, premeditation can happen in an instant. It is not a careful planning of every detail of a murder including a choice of weapon, time, place and disposal of the body. Premeditation is intending to do the act that results injures the other person whether or not death is the intended result.
     
  10. tiredofthis

    tiredofthis New Member

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    Makes a lot of sense.
     
  11. Themis

    Themis Registered User

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    But, IIRC, the one emotion ASPDs do feel is anger and rage is an extreme of anger. So, could they not kill in a rage?
     
  12. Chilly Willy

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    That makes sense, that Casey would put Caylee into the pool hoping to cool her off, but how would Caylee have gotten so overheated? Between 12:50 and 2:30, she and Casey were apparently together - where was Casey if Caylee was left in the closed car alone during that time?
     
  13. impatientredhead

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    That doesn't explain the chloroform search and the chloroform in the trunk though?

    Casey is such a liar I would *think* that if it was an accident she would have attempted to explain it away. If she really thought this ZFG story was going to fly, I cannot imagine that she couldn't come up with a reason Caylee dying of heat exhaustion or drowning was someone else's fault. Much better odds of handling it that way than this way. I think it was premediated.
     
  14. frenchvixen

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    Then how is it premeditated (if sociopaths live from moment to moment)? I'm going to try to answer my own question. Was she planning on doing this for a while (chloroform searches) but was just waiting for the right time? She didn't necessarily plan it on the 16th but for some reason with her friends' upcoming trip to PR, fight with her mom, getting caught stealing again, not being able to find a babysitter to hangout with TL the "right" moment was on June 16th?

    How will they prove her guilty mind (mens rea) then if she doesn't think like other people?
     
  15. newuser

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    Ok - I thought from the early days something happened in the back yard, but then I got hung up on all the other info. I do think everyone is making it was too complicated. IF and I mean a big IF you believe GA about seeing them on the 16th, then I think they returned home after he left. KC probably was using the chloroform freely by this time, and laid the baby in the backyard while she did her calling and texting. When she got ready to leave, she couldn't wake her up - never even realizing the child was dead. She momentarily thought about making it look like an accident, thus the flurry of calls. THen, she just left Caylee in the playhouse and went on to TonE and to rent the movie. On the 18th, she thinks about her again, and goes to get her. Loads her in the trunk until the 27th.

    Personally, I think she overdosed her on the night of the 15th, and the same scenario plays out, only with no GA. She goes to the house after he leaves, and just leaves Caylee in the playhouse and goes off to do whatever. She thinks Caylee is fine because she's in the A's yard and in her playhouse. Then, she goes back to get her on the 18th after thinking a bit.

    This girl just is not all that deep in her though process.
     
  16. athy

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    chilling thought, what if caylee was in the trunk after casey used the chloroform on her. and at the time we see her on the security tape at blockbusters...caylee was still in the trunk.
     
  17. Themis

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    Premeditation can occur in an instant. But, remember, the crime charged involves aggravating factors of the death of a child under 12 years of age for Murder 1st degree. So, premeditation, in the classic sense is perhaps not necessary here since this is an aggravated circumstances Murder 1st degree.
     
  18. SailorMoon

    SailorMoon Let's go Patriots!!! Rock it Brady!

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    I'm thinking she would try Jesse for a sitter then Amy maybe??
     
  19. Themis

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    I think that is accurate.
     
  20. Crabcake23

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    Yep. I'm thinking that she was killed between 3-4pm on the 16th.
     

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