Plane carrying 72 passengers and 9 crew has crashed in Colombia

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  1. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    I'm seeing the last picture shown as "purported" or "alleged". I don't know what it is, but it is not the plane the team was on, IMHO.

    The plane that crashed had two aisles (seen in the videos), not one as shown in the photo in question.
     


  2. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    I believe the team took another flight before this one and that is why you see different pictures.
    Also, I read this airplane does not have any fuel dumping system.
    CNN now also reporting that the crash might be due to running out of fuel.
    One would almost hope it was a fuel leak, but I am afraid it is a bunch of human errors.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/29/americas/colombia-plane-crash-investigation/

    I just can't imagine why they decided to accept a holding pattern before landing when they were running out of fuel. There surely must be a low fuel warning going off? Maybe they were distracted by an electrical failure (probably due to low fuel) or something. I don't know.
     
  3. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Trying to get an understanding of who was on the chartered flight.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/americas/colombia-plane-accident/

     
  4. Snoods

    Snoods Flounciest Faux Former Member

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    Ugh, never mind, Jakson wasn't seated next to Alan on this flight. Looking at a larger photo, it is clearly taken from a different airplane. MSM duped me, herpty derp. They don't even have his name correct, that is not Danilo. This must be a photo from the previous flight they took, thank you Sherlockh! Although since they were seated together on the other flight, it leads me to believe they were probably seated close together on this flight as well.

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  5. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Tiago leaves behind a pregnant wife. :tears:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/americas/chapecoense-soccer-player-father/?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottomlist


     
  6. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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  7. sherlockh

    sherlockh Active Member

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    I couldn't find this interview in the English media (yet), but it is an interview with a crew member who was near the crashed plane and heard the last radio conversation between pilot and controller. It is chilling and it seems that the pilot was aware of the fuel problems but only declared an emergency at the very last second while being in a holding pattern before that. The bad luck was that another plane had requested landing priority due to some problem and therefore other planes had to wait.
    http://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/2016/11/29/narran-conversacion-controlador-piloto-de-chapecoense
     
  8. Snoods

    Snoods Flounciest Faux Former Member

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    Hmm..are we sure it was the larger two aisle airplane that crashed? I would think the charter plane would be smaller, and all the pics I can find of the inside of an Avro RJ85 only have one aisle.
     
  9. Snoods

    Snoods Flounciest Faux Former Member

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  10. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    I was basing it on the video shown, but after checking I believe you are right. It seems the video was from the earlier leg of the flight. Thank you!

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/29/colombia-plane-crash-soccer-team/

    If I have it straight now, that means the woman we were talking about earlier (seated behind the two players) did not die in the crash (unless she was an invited guest and boarded the charter). I'd been trying to figure out who she might be, since all the journalists were male.
     
  11. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    "Just six people survived and today some of them have been speaking for the first time about the moments before impact.

    Crew member Erwin Tumiri told how passengers were left terrified as the plane began to plummet to the ground.

    He said: "I saved myself because I followed the emergency protocol, putting bags between my legs and put myself in the fetal position.

    "I also saw how many passengers rose and began to scream."

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/colombia-plane-crash-chapecoense-brazil-9363639
     
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    [video=youtube;BvlYUdI41Mw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvlYUdI41Mw[/video]
     
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    [video=youtube;nIJlSqvjZ_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIJlSqvjZ_w[/video]
     
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    [video=youtube;OxNKt9lU_tg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxNKt9lU_tg[/video]
     
  15. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    "The desperate last words of the pilot flying the doomed jet carrying a Brazilian football team have emerged."

    Continued

    "In his horrifying final call, Mr Quiroga declared an emergency before saying 'there's no fuel', 'we have total electronic failure' and then screaming, 'help us' and 'we're going down'."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...per-survivor-leg-amputated.html#ixzz4RVrIteaU

    How did this happen? Why did they fly that particular plane when it didn't have the ability to carry enough fuel to get there and enough extra for an emergency? It's standard procedure for planes to fly with enough fuel to get to the destination and a surplus for an emergency. I don't understand why the pilot agreed to fly he must have known it was impossible to reach there destination with the amount of fuel on board with the pre-flight safety check.
     
  16. Jax49

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    This was linked earlier but sorta addresses our questions.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...merges-goalkeeper-survivor-leg-amputated.html

     
  17. emirates1957

    emirates1957 Well-Known Member

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    Unless he miscalculated the fuel figure prior to departure. Up thread it mentioned the surviving F/A said they had run out of fuel.....I wonder how she would have known that. Another tragedy that didn't need to be. So so sad for these families.
     
  18. emirates1957

    emirates1957 Well-Known Member

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    Hi there Snoods.....just had one of our Engineers have a quick look.....he said it appears to be a bus.
     
  19. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    Yep definitely a coach/bus when you look at windows. Nice to see you emirates1957 sorry it's for another tragedy. I hope you and everyone have a great Christmas and New Year in 2017.

    I know air travel is extremely safe but it doesn't make any accidents and loss of life any less upsetting. Thank you to you and Jax49 for answering my question above.

    I wonder why they chose not to refuel in Bogota and to try and make the journey was it to save time or financial reasons? I feel so sad for everyone who has died, the pilot desperately trying to save the plane and the survivors. It must have been a horrendous scene onboard the plane in its final minutes.

    When the plane ran out of fuel would it have acted the way it would in a stall situation?
     
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    [video=youtube;6kNarEasj84]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kNarEasj84[/video]
     

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