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Interesting point on the stature of the victims, it'd make it easier to strangle them having longer arms. I have a feeling that this SK enjoys the face to face strangling and seeing the life ebb from his victims. And he certainly doesn't want to have any attention drawn to himself by getting his face scratched up.

I believe Truth is on target believed he drugged SG & I believe the other victims were drugged than strangled.....see I think he is wimpy & very fearful of DNA in finger nails.....so I think combinig is a jackpot....thats my feeling
 

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Taking a train into NYC is completely different than taking a train from NYC. If he thought she was taking a train he would know that she was either taking a cab to his house or he would have to pick her up.

True. I'm not from the NY area and haven't strayed far from Manhattan in my visits, but I would highly doubt there is any good public transport at 2a.m. that far out into the suburbs.
 

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I believe Truth is on target believed he drugged SG & I believe the other victims were drugged than strangled.....see I think he is wimpy & very fearful of DNA in finger nails.....so I think combinig is a jackpot....thats my feeling

I think that's a pretty safe bet seeing as he targets small, defenseless women. He is such a p#$$i he won't even let them bring their cell phones. He has achieved a new low in sk bravery. I guess that is why he started with minors.
 

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From what I understand they did not "hook-up" through craigs list but it may have been backpage.
As far as your theory about he could not possibly be a slob, he is a business owner. That does not go hand in hand for me. I personally know a business owner that is a pig, lulz. Besides imo, I think JB is more of the type that skates along the family business group thing. They do seem tight and take care of their own, the mother after all lives with the ex-wife and granddaughter at the time of SG disappearance and now currently JB. (as has been reported) I wont discount that it was posted a few times he is a slob nor will I take it for gospel but, will just file it in the back of my mind.

Now where did it say JB grabbed SG by the head? I heard it was reported he grabbed her from behind. This was said to calm her or get her to leave... taken with a grain of salt being the source may have motives, imo. See for me all these things are also "stories" geared to a specific scenario as you posted and I rather have them cleared up as soon as possible so we do not have opinions thought to be facts. Nothing wrong with opinions either, they lead to pooling or bouncing ideas off each other which may lead to a real clue.

Is the SK tech savy? Who knows but possibly not all the things mentioned he has done are common things to the avg internet user and disposable cell phones are nothing new. Also I put serious doubt into the statement he collects cell phones. Most of the victims it has been told did not bring cell phones.
I also do not think the SK pre-stalked the victims family and could have easily learned just enough about them through the victims.
You made some wonderful opinions/points too as well.
Iagree with the tech savy, I answered that question in previous threat, regardless he grabbed Shannan.....The sources stated this on intervgiew.
Now out of all other facts is that the only one (which was answered already)

I am not interested in the opinion about JB being sloppy (POSSIBLY). It is a thought....I happen not to agree.
I also agree there was no pre stalking or stalking in person after the fact....just interested in following his story.

It was goathair Jones implimenting a Stalking Angle with I personally do not by that SK knew what BF looked like from her cell phone pick & all other stored info in phone. I just thought it was remotely helpful when we all know it was in cell phone possibly. I do not think he talks those chances....I think his time is spent by looking for new victims.

IMO thatcomment actually may inflict fair to family member unnecessarly, Plus serves little purpose but to create fear in other victims family. I do not see that & nnot seen any facts to back that up. Not interested in asking either.

When fear is a driving force it's attention is pretty clear IMO, twist , changing focus etc...jmo

People that do not see JB being a POI, It would be great to start that thread. I am interested & believe JB is the SK.
I believe Joseph Brewer VERY CAPABLE. I do think he is a socio path, thats my opinion, I have seen his video, the 48 hour reports to reporter....

Now Craigs list is where many victims had ads. Shannan used a couple places & it was rumored it was the other place....but LE & many reports say craig list links.
Disagree that is your option.....but please don't question my opinions. I don't agree & actually I am interested in talking with others who are thinking what I am. No Offense but we disagree so feel free to skip my posts. I gave like 13 facts & one gets picked by a couple people. I answered again. Joesph Brewer GRABBED Shannan from behind which startled her and prompted 911 Call Claiming Joesph Brewer & another was Going to kill her.
She is Dead.
Oh and so many missing ....Murdered Tortured young girls, a baby & 2 Men killed by a sadistic person who I can see as Joseph Brewer, I believe fits profile to a TEE.
This is my opinion, what to talk on this thread about that.

I do belive unlike you & others that JB is meticulous...he is into coke.....these people are paraniod when on it & they get obsessed of things....Well the side effects of cocaine could focus him in on planning covering his tracks & lastly he has the abundance of time to spend to troll. Unlike the Doc with Fam etc.
Plus personally I see JB as a low life who hired girls on numberous occassions while being VERY MARRIED. When one gets a divorce thats when the committment is over IMO. So in so many ways,,,,,I have no more fingers or toes to use to count Joesph Brewers low life standards IMO. The only viable person to carry this crime through.

Who was he to grab anyone...I do not feel it was to calm her down....she feared for her life, nso I whole heartedly disagree. It was to kill her...why else in my opinion.....

If you are a John & do not know your client you do not put your hands on them EVER, in a HARMFUL way. Thats my professional opinion.

Shannan put herself out there when calling 911...she weighed the consequence & it was she was fearful of her life.
 

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You made some wonderful opinions/points too as well.
Iagree with the tech savy, I answered that question in previous threat, regardless he grabbed Shannan.....The sources stated this on intervgiew.
Now out of all other facts is that the only one (which was answered already)

I am not interested in the opinion about JB being sloppy (POSSIBLY). It is a thought....I happen not to agree.
I also agree there was no pre stalking or stalking in person after the fact....just interested in following his story.

It was goathair Jones implimenting a Stalking Angle with I personally do not by that SK knew what BF looked like from her cell phone pick & all other stored info in phone. I just thought it was remotely helpful when we all know it was in cell phone possibly. I do not jthink he talks those chances....I think his time is spent by looking for new victims.

IMO thatcomment actually may inflict fair to family member unnecessarly, Plus serves little purpose but to create fear in other victims family. I do not see that & nnot seen any facts to back that up. Not interested in asking either.

When fear is a driving force it's attention is pretty clear IMO, twist , changing focus etc...jmo

People that do not see JB being a POI, It would be great to start that thread. I am interested & believe JB is the SK.
I believe Joseph Brewer VERY CAPABLE. I do think he is a socio path, thats my opinion, I have seen his video, the 48 hour reports to reporter....

Now Craigs list is where many victims had ads. Shannan used a couple places & it was rumored it was the other place....but LE & many reports say craig list links.
Disagree that is your option.....but please don't question my opinions. I don't agree & actually I am interested in talking with others who are thinking what I am. No Offense but we disagree so feel free to skip my posts. I gave like 13 facts & one gets picked by a couple people. I answered again. Joesph Brewer GRABBED Shannan from behind which startled her and prompted 911 Call Claiming Joesph Brewer & another was Going to kill her.
She is Dead.
Oh and so many missing ....Murdered Tortured young girls, a baby & 2 Men killed by a sadistic person who I can see as Joseph Brewer, I believe fits profile to a TEE.
This is my opinion, what to talk on this thread about that.

I do belive unlike you & others that JB is meticulous...he is into coke.....these people are paraniod when on it & they get obsessed of things....Well the side effects of cocaine could focus him in on planning covering his tracks & lastly he has the abundance of time to spend to troll. Unlike the Doc with Fam etc.
Plus personally I see JB as a low life who hired girls on numberous occassions while being VERY MARRIED. When one gets a divorce thats when the committment is over IMO. So in so many ways,,,,,I have no more fingers or toes to use to count Joesph Brewers low life standards IMO. The only viable person to carry this crime through.

Who was he to grab anyone...I do not feel it was to calm her down....she feared for her life, nso I whole heartedly disagree. It was to kill her...why else in my opinion.....

If you are a John & do not know your client you do not put your hands on them EVER, in a HARMFUL way. Thats my professional opinion.

Shannan put herself out there when calling 911...she weighed the consequence & it was she was fearful of her life.

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See, reguardless what anyone's personal feelings are there is a reason why stating facts needs to be clear. It is so opinions do not turn into facts. IMO, that messes up things pretty bad.
I never ruled any person out or positively in as The Suspect, yet. It is best, IMO, to be open and clear headed to facts. The rest I could hardly understand what you typed.
 

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Acc to Sheere in her interview on 'here women talk', her Mom Mari kept repeating over and over, " Why is this man still here?

Understandable, and I agree with Mari. A man here, JB, hires a woman of the night, she comes to his house, and that is an illegal happening. LE think nothing of it and never charge him with this illegal activity.

It must have been the disappearance of Shannan which was tied to JB and more important to concentrate on than a common charge of hiring a woman or man for prostitution.

If it happened here in Portland the cops would be all over it and headed w/ him and her {?} down to the pokey. Ya Ya And at the same time they'd be calling the big boys upstairs, the detectives to start an investigation on the case. I've been upstairs where these guys work, and when the call comes in they are on it like white on rice with all the right ingredients.
 

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Why doesn't MG start a wrongful death suit against, JB and MP. That would start the ball rolling. I guess that she must be waiting for the final ME report before moving forward.
 

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Why doesn't MG start a wrongful death suit against, JB and MP. That would start the ball rolling. I guess that she must be waiting for the final ME report before moving forward.
Good Question Nugzter. I don't know if she belongs or reads here but hope friends have talked to her about this.
 

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Just a quick question regarding JB: If JB was the SK, do you think he would commit minor traffic offenses like parking illegally? I don't think he would. I think he would be very careful not to commit minor traffic offenses or anything like that. After all, Rifkin was caught because his license plate fell off. So I would think that this SK would be much more careful not to draw attention to himself.

Well I have seen JB personally park his car illegally right here in his home town.

To me, this is just another clue that he is probably not the SK. What are your thoughts?
 

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Acc to Sheere in her interview on 'here women talk', her Mom Mari kept repeating over and over, " Why is this man still here?

Understandable, and I agree with Mari. A man here, JB, hires a woman of the night, she comes to his house, and that is an illegal happening. LE think nothing of it and never charge him with this illegal activity.

It must have been the disappearance of Shannan which was tied to JB and more important to concentrate on than a common charge of hiring a woman or man for prostitution.

If it happened here in Portland the cops would be all over it and headed w/ him and her {?} down to the pokey. Ya Ya And at the same time they'd be calling the big boys upstairs, the detectives to start an investigation on the case. I've been upstairs where these guys work, and when the call comes in they are on it like white on rice with all the right ingredients.

In New York the police need evidence that money exchanged hands for sex (or testimony/evidence that an agreement was made to do so).

There is no proof to charge him.
 

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In New York the police need evidence that money exchanged hands for sex (or testimony/evidence that an agreement was made to do so).

There is no proof to charge him.
Thanks Seaslug, I didn't know that. Mari neither. Acc to Sheere Mari kept saying that over and over, probably as she was so upset.
 

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I would think in this case the circumstantial evidence is strong enough.
but well you know this case is so off the charts anyway
 

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Now how can Joesph Brewer not be a POI in MY Opinion?

EnPassant;

JB is an unsavory individual, but there are reasons that he may not have killed SG, but still he could be the LISK.

1) Since SG knew JB and had already run from his house it is not likely she
would have returned to him or his house that night.

2) If JB had SG after she disappeared, he would have to have killed her, hide the body, move the body out of Oak Beach and then at a later date place her clothes and her body in the marsh.

3) Once SG had run away from JB's house; and remember JB wanted her to leave; what would JB's motive to kill SG then? If he was going to kill her he could have done it a lot more easily in the three hours they spent together; rather than waiting for SG to leave and then JB chasing after her.

4) JB may be involved as an accomplice to the other previously named POI but I do not think he is the main culprit in SG's death. But I believe JB knows more about the events that night than he has said.

MOO

Nice reply as well as food for thought, TY.

I could see that clearly someone introduce JB to picking up the girls. I get that definately others have been involved IMO.
I do think JB is cocky enough to go it alone like "The Hillside Stranglers".
I do think Joesph Brewer is as cold as Ice & has a total entitlement issue..IMO
I do think he thinks he is smart, but leeching off ones family & putting his WIFE, Daughter & Family members scrambling to save there assets & well their established Respect. See how an IDiot like Brewer distoys....others.... more so than himself.
Joesph Brewer IMO has every bit of a Sociopath and MORE.
Cold Blooded Killer/s.

Why wasn't Joesph Brewer to stupid to hire an escort?????
Why would he ask MP to talk with LE, Shannan 911 call, he wasn't that stupid to be the only person than...pretty thought out...IMO.
Why is Joesph Brewer Smart enough to have parties?
Why did Joesph Brewer leave as soon as Bodies turned up?
Why did Joesph Brewer have his house renovated when it was search & is in question? More important evidence is always found on second searches according to statistics, because the search is now focused & police theory are looking for certain evidence.

Summer is coming & Long Island residence depend on renting their properties as they have a few months to make the monies. Businesses are hurting in the area, the community is hurting, tax payers are hurting & the LONGER this/these SK are out there this ....community remains hostage & who wants to vacation in a grave yard withg SERIAL KILLER/S on the loose.
No doubt this/these people may feel the pressure & kill outside there community by picking up people off the streets IMO! Now anything is possible, so let's expect the unexpected...Being proactive & getting this UNFIXABLE, DERANGED.....KILLER ....BEHIND BARS. The community is paying for their actions....when will they get fed up. The house Market is Nil.

Justice will be served IMO & any helpers will be ACCOUNTABLE IMO.
 

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Thanks Seaslug, I didn't know that. Mari neither. Acc to Sheere Mari kept saying that over and over, probably as she was so upset.

In the link to the video above, it is stated via detective that worked directly in craigs list stings & escort service sting are common. They claim there is a cyber finger print. Let's hope, this has been done.

Also was wondering if you are Sheere friend or Mari friend...how would that info be known, is there a link or is that hearsay? I am just wondering as that poor family has gone through so much already. If MP or thr Drifter claims JB was hiring...if 1 person breaks that silence. MP already told Shannan to get paid as they were late & it was over an hour. So I tend to believe they know what the fee was & usually, you get money up front, I doubt MP would hide that fact considering he than could be implimented as culprit & Alex could also vouch about fee. Hearsay or not that is damaging if that was SG business & Alex use to be SG driver & SG has a police record that also concurrs with info. Pretty much a done deal, IMO. Not circumstail, that is why I think as Dormer stated, They "will have the person at the end of the Day". See video link Dormer states that.
 

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Nice reply as well as food for thought, TY.

I could see that clearly someone introduce JB to picking up the girls. I get that definately others have been involved IMO.
I do think JB is cocky enough to go it alone like "The Hillside Stranglers".
I do think Joesph Brewer is as cold as Ice & has a total entitlement issue..IMO
I do think he thinks he is smart, but leeching off ones family & putting his WIFE, Daughter & Family members scrambling to save there assets & well their established Respect. See how an IDiot like Brewer distoys....others.... more so than himself.
Joesph Brewer IMO has every bit of a Sociopath and MORE.
Cold Blooded Killer/s.

Why wasn't Joesph Brewer to stupid to hire an escort?????
Why would he ask MP to talk with LE, Shannan 911 call, he wasn't that stupid to be the only person than...pretty thought out...IMO.
Why is Joesph Brewer Smart enough to have parties?
Why did Joesph Brewer leave as soon as Bodies turned up?
Why did Joesph Brewer have his house renovated when it was search & is in question? More important evidence is always found on second searches according to statistics, because the search is now focused & police theory are looking for certain evidence.

Summer is coming & Long Island residence depend on renting their properties as they have a few months to make the monies. Businesses are hurting in the area, the community is hurting, tax payers are hurting & the LONGER this/these SK are out there this ....community remains hostage & who wants to vacation in a grave yard withg SERIAL KILLER/S on the loose.
No doubt this/these people may feel the pressure & kill outside there community by picking up people off the streets IMO! Now anything is possible, so let's expect the unexpected...Being proactive & getting this UNFIXABLE, DERANGED.....KILLER ....BEHIND BARS. The community is paying for their actions....when will they get fed up. The house Market is Nil.


Justice will be served IMO & any helpers will be ACCOUNTABLE IMO.

A S/K on the loose is not affecting business or summer rentals.

You mentioned earlier that something was your "professional opinion". What profession would that be.
 

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Why doesn't MG start a wrongful death suit against, JB and MP. That would start the ball rolling. I guess that she must be waiting for the final ME report before moving forward.

I am sure they probably let MG on a little more assurring her that some1 is going to be taken in shortly.
Plus why rush when Methodically one has to feel that there is nothing happening. Of course if there is, this may just be a ploy to confuse the POI.

Plus there can be a slue of suits, on family, nieghbors, negligence due to the surviellence being taped over after police were called by several nieghbors...thye gated community should be sued...the family if he used there home for parties. Change names but what cannot change is who is on record @ that time. No Judge will tolerate a circus & the system was devised to punish the wrong doers. MG & family probably has a systematic approach & will go after EVERY venue possible to teach a lesson. With hold info, Lie, distroy evidence, aid & abbet known criminal actions. Sue those who took her on a wild goose chase& if it is proven they have done it purposely. Well Justice will prevail ultimately.
See what a Rotten seed or two can do to a community. Spread the Rot, thats what.
 

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Why doesn't MG start a wrongful death suit against, JB and MP. That would start the ball rolling. I guess that she must be waiting for the final ME report before moving forward.

I am sure they probably let MG on a little more assurring her that some1 is going to be taken in shortly.
Plus why rush when Methodically one has to feel that there is nothing happening. Of course if there is, this may just be a ploy to confuse the POI.

Plus there can be a slue of suits, on family, nieghbors, negligence due to the surviellence being taped over after police were called by several nieghbors...the gated community should be sued...the JB family if he used there home for parties. they can Change owners names but what cannot change is who is on record @ that time. No Judge will tolerate a circus & the system was devised to punish the wrong doers. MG & family probably has a systematic approach & will go after EVERY venue possible to teach a lesson. With hold info, Lie, distroy evidence, aid & abbet known criminal actions. Sue those who took her on a wild goose chase& if it is proven they have done it purposely. Well Justice will prevail ultimately. if one knows & studies law...all they have to do is give the assignment to a NY law school & say "What can be done to who" any suit possible....LE is in trouble just from what a victims lawyer said how NYC LE would not take a missing persons report.

If I was MG I would have met with LE, & give a timeline reasonable & than say actions will be taken after this point. JMO
See what a Rotten seed or two can do to a community. Spread the Rot, thats what.
The wronful Death suit should also include GC. Doc & LE
 

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Just a quick question regarding JB: If JB was the SK, do you think he would commit minor traffic offenses like parking illegally? I don't think he would. I think he would be very careful not to commit minor traffic offenses or anything like that. After all, Rifkin was caught because his license plate fell off. So I would think that this SK would be much more careful not to draw attention to himself.

Well I have seen JB personally park his car illegally right here in his home town.

To me, this is just another clue that he is probably not the SK. What are your thoughts?

You make ALOT of questions why he is not. Starting a thread may be helpful to your cause, just saying. May help your plight.

People who have an entitlement issue do those things & you are saying this but there is no proof any of that occurred. Hearsay ...do you have a link with official pictures by LE.

I believe starting a rumor as to JB is no way going to bring attention to himself?>????
Why isn't there info about him now????As many posters expressed thats because he hired people to hide his info. Where is all the info about him currently??? Gone at the beginning I found much about him now...Nothing, which makes me think HE IS The POI along with a few pals.

You claim in some way you are close to JB, you mentioned this before, you know some1 who knows him.

That does not take away these facts:

1. Joesph Brewer hired SG, but wasn't going to pay ...MOTIVE, she is a known escort
2. joesph Brewer claimed SG w\as a male. 2 Dead asian males DEAD, 1 dressed as a woman.
3. SG claimed she "was going to be killed" said names to LE. Shannan is now Deceased.
4. According to JB friend he is a cocaine & alcohol abuser which has been known to create violent crimes like Speed Freak Killers.
5. Joesph Brewer disgraced his WIFE & Family.
6. Joesph Brewer according to ob nieghbors has alot of parties.

Imo Joesph Brewer is the Serial Killer ..The Leader..not follower, I believe possibly slightly there may be others.

7. Who Believes Joesph Brewer is the SERIAL KILLER?
8. Who believes Joesph Brewer had Help?
9.How Long do you think Joesph Brewer was KILLING if he is in fact the SERIAL KILLER?
10. Does anyone think Joesph Brewers Wife KNOWS Anything & maybe was involved in his Parties?
11. Could Mrs. Brewer be the other woman @ the Party & be sick of Joesphs abusive behavior, if he has one?
12. Does anyone think his Brother attends these parties & is also a Person Of Interest?
13. Does any1 think Joesph Brewers Mother & Family felt "Joesph is a weird/Odd Duck"?
14. Does anyone else feel Joesph Brewers friends are on here helping him as a few claimed to know someone who knows him, & others witness parking...maybe @ his liqueor store?
15. Does any1 else feel the thread is constantly partial to Joesph Brewer?
 
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