Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

Discussion in 'Lisa Irwin' started by Salem, Nov 22, 2011.

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Please continue here.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-dodge-questions-police/story?id=14760706

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  3. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Quoting Sparklin from a previous thread


    Granted, it sounds very uncomfortable and not something that anybody would particularly like to do but people have done a number of uncomfortable things in order to try and avoid a prison sentence. The alternative of sitting back and doing nothing, waiting to see what happens when someone comes home could be seen as a bit risky as well.

    I am not 100% sure her alcohol level was so very high. Apparently the female neighbor says they were drinking but IIRC Shane said he didn't see them drink when he was there. Imo the way the drinking was reported sounded a bit like it could be just an excuse that the timeline of seeing Lisa changed.
     
  4. cityslick

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    IMO, for all the grief DB gets for not being the worlds greatest parent that night, I think the fact that she was outside, able to be seen by people, helps her. It puts another set of eyes on where she was and what she was doing. Granted, she still could be responsible, but the window of opportunity starts to get smaller and smaller. The fact that someone said she was drinking does somewhat give her drunk story a possibility of being true, whereas if nobody saw her drinking would make it even more suspect.
     
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    Three hours to dump her and the phones in the river. I think that is very possible from where the house is on Lister. I don't think it's a stretch at all.



    Brought above over from other thread

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    We are talking only 15 minutes or so for the phones though.
     
  6. hambirg

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    I know. That's why I ETA that that isn't what I think happened with regards to the phones. I was just trying to show that the window of opportunity was there. . . .that 3hours (it was actually 4hours) is plenty of time. :)
     
  7. tink92

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    So a drunken deb...unfit and out of shape...was able to stumble through the woods with a dead baby...somehow dispose of her far enough away that she has never (yet) been found. And was able to do all this in a small time frame..whilst drunk or at least tipsy...and get rid of all evidence to show she has done this. All soil from shoes..fingertips..clothes..soil she brought in on shoes..clothes etc to the house. Plus footprints.

    Yeah....not buying it..no way! LE went through that house..debs clothes and shoes with a fine tooth comb...if there was ANY evidence of a midnight romp through the woods..DEb would be under arrest.
     
  8. hambirg

    hambirg New Member

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    There are just too many things we don't know.

    What makes you think that there was no soil from shoes, etc? If LE has that evidence they aren't telling us. I don't think they have shared any evidence with us. :waitasec:

    ETA-We can only surmise what LE knows based on their behavior, because they are not telling us anything. So maybe some of the searches would give a hint as to what evidence they have.
     
  9. Karmaa

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    http://www.news-leader.com/article/...lice-Hunt-Kansas-City-baby-Lisa-not-out-steam

    The article linked above was from 10/18/11. My most recent (working) link is from 11/11/11. I believe there were other statements made in between by Steve Young. There may be one after as well.

    "I'm not saying they're not cooperating," he said. "They have met some of our needs. What I've been talking about specifically is sitting down, separate from each other, to be interviewed by detectives. In regard to that, no, that hasn't happen since the 8th of October."

    Young started all this nonsense on day 2 when he publicly announced that the family was no longer cooperating. A month later he says "I am not saying that they aren't cooperating". And we are still trying to figure out what it all means.

    I think that the only way to figure this all out will be when LE addresses how much cooperation they are actually getting, instead of dancing around the issue. Young is as bad as some lawyers when it comes to answering questions without answering them.

    No matter what the family and their attorneys say, some people will not believe it until LE confirms it. I hope that the family have been documenting the contact between them and LE, because I have the feeling that it's much more than LE is implying. Just my opinion.
     
  10. Amster

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    The police are not the the enemy. If Deb has something to say, she has ABC panting after her, waiting for any words of wisdom she wishes to utter. If she doesn't want to say it, she has more than enough attorneys to say it for her. She has supporters all over the internet defending her. LE doesn't say much because they can't. Defense attys. and perps know this. The media knows this. In the meantime, baby Lisa is somewhere....I believe wherever her mother put her after killing her.....but, <modsnip>. An alive and breathing Deb. Getting all the attention she could have only dreamed about. MOO
     
  11. Sabot

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    I think that we have a really good discussion going here, and nothing at all nasty. This is a revelation to me who has been constantly mocked and derided elsewhere. I have even clicked "Thanks" on some posts that I don't actually agree with because they in some way made a point.

    My blood pressure has gone down by many points, and I wish that I had come back here sooner.
     
  12. cindysue

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    Has anyone that thinks deb killed her daughter ever come up with a motive, I can't think of any. She has another child and she never killed him when she drank before, so I don't think we can blame it on the booze. Anyone?
     
  13. Nixie

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    I don't understand the attention aspect I think DB and JI stay to far from the media. They seem to shun all reporters and all the attention. They came out told their story to the media got picked apart and now don't even use the medial at all. The interviews were on different channels besides ABC and they're attorney has been on many different networks. I honestly think if anyone has a deal it is fox, they seem to be the outlet pushing stories the most.......I get people think DB did it I have even said I think the parents should make more statements to the media pleading for their daughter. I see nothing that makes DB look like a media hound looking for fame. Seems to me she isn't saying enough to the media and isn't out there enough.
     
  14. deoneta

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    Maybe they are kinda cooperating. LE has certainly continued to search, interview witnesses and track down leads which leads me to believe that some new information may have emerged since Oct.8. Whatever one's opinion of the parents' level of cooperation, limited cooperation, mostly cooperative, pick and choose cooperative, it is apparent that they are not fully cooperative which seems strange assuming they want to find their daughter, especially since LE has made it clear that they not asking the parents to come in without their attorneys. All MOO
     
  15. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    It's not illegal to have dirt in your shoes or footprints. There are plenty of perfectly innocent ways to dirty your shoes. I don't think anybody's ever been arrested for having dirty shoes or dirty clothes unless there is something specific in the dirt to connect the person to a crime scene. No one knows where Lisa is so there is no way to connect any dirt to where Lisa was taken.
     
  16. cindysue

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    I just want to see justice and the longer the LE wastes on the parents (if they are innocent) the more the case goes cold IMO.. That's what I'm wanting. I want them to find out what happened to Lisa ASAP And its just frustrating to me that all we hear is they wanna talk to the parents. Cause it's time wasting IMO again. When I think that neither parent has any info that will help solve this case because A. The father was working during this period and. B. the mother was more than likely unable to remember anything of the night due to her drinking..I wanna see Lisa found..but I wanna see them do it before its to late to help her or to late to find evidence that's needed to find her..just beating a dead horse for weeks isnt doing Lisa justice IMO.
     
  17. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    This reasoning would only make sense if no drunk person ever killed a child for the first time. JMO.

    There are plenty of people who only ever killed one of their children.
     
  18. cluciano63

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    It is going on two months...will these parents get over their "hurt feelings" or fear of being accused, or whatever they are claiming, to agree to talk with police soon? How long can they go without their baby before they decide it might be better to do everything possible? Or can they really get on with their lives if Lisa is never found, and will they feel they did all they could?
     
  19. cityslick

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    Do you really believe she was drunk though? That this could be done by someone who was relatively drunk (not buzzed), in the middle of the night and as far as we know, covered up pretty good?
     
  20. Sabot

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    I don't think that Debbie has a drink problem. I drink wine two or three times a week, and I don't think that I have a problem. I probably sleep more soundly, although I can't say that I do it for that reason.
    She sounds like a social drinker to me. But I bet it will be a very long time before she drinks again.
     
  21. annalia

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    I think we've seen quite a bit from LE that shows they haven't been just singularly focused on the parents.

    The FBI, following a tip, just went to a home all the way in NY making someone prove that their child really belonged to them.

    If the parents want all focus moved away from them the choice is theirs, go in and answer whatever LE needs answered until LE can rule them out completely. If anyone is keeping that from happening, if anyone is causing the case to come to a standstill, it is their defense attorneys.

    JMHO
     
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