Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

Discussion in 'Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias' started by 2Hip2BSquare, Apr 9, 2013.

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What Psychological Disorder do you think Jodi may have?

  1. Antisocial Personality Disorder

    13.7%
  2. Dissociative Identity Disorder

    3.3%
  3. Borderline Personality Disorder

    17.0%
  4. Bipolar Mood Disorder

    3.5%
  5. She is sane and has no Psychological Disorder.

    2.4%
  6. multiple personality disorders not listed in poll

    2.2%
  7. Sociopath w/Borderline Personality Disorder

    54.8%
  8. Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    29.8%
  9. Anti-Social Personality Disorder w/ Psychopathy

    17.8%
  10. Just one crazy succubus from hell!

    12.6%
  11. Hystrionic personality disorder

    3.7%
  12. Personality Disorder NOS

    2.2%
  13. Sociopath with no other disorders

    4.1%
  14. D.I.D. w/cluster B

    0.2%
  15. Histrionic Personality Disorder

    1.7%
  16. Psychopathic & BPD.

    0.9%
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  1. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    You will never hear an expert say on the stand a defendant is a psychopath. Not in the USA anyway. Can't speak to globally.


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    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    Oh. Sorry my mistake.

    Or.... She simply doesn't suffer from anxiety. Like she doesn't have remorse or empathy.



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  3. 2Hip2BSquare

    2Hip2BSquare Former Member

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    Again autism is lo cognitive empathy but average emotional empathy. They can't show when they feel bad, but they feel it.

    Jodi does not seem to really feel bad/empathy cognitively bc she never formally apologized for what she did to Travis and I think we all know she refuses to accent that he was the victim and makes herself the victim which indicates low emotional empathy (sociopathy)
     
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    I have read this thread since the start when it was the armchair thread. You take a read yourself and get your facts straight.
     
  5. slanda

    slanda Verified Victim's Advocate

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    I don't think you understand what it is like to have anxiety everyday. I have it everyday of my life. Sometimes I feel like I might die any minute. There is no way to become accustomed to anxiety. It doesn't work like that. Severe stress on a regular basis will manifest itself.
     
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    slanda Verified Victim's Advocate

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    I honestly don't know if a person can realistically have an anxiety disorder and not have empathy. I really don't. And anxiety doesn't magically get better with different environments if it is an internal problem. The brain is malfunctioning regardless of the situation. Granted, after I left my abusive husband, my anxiety seemed to be curbed some But, after a while my brain started to focus on other things. Also, panic attacks usually come out of the blue, at least for me, when I'm not consciously worrying about anything.
     
  7. 2Hip2BSquare

    2Hip2BSquare Former Member

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    Who are you speaking to? Sorry confused.
     
  8. 2Hip2BSquare

    2Hip2BSquare Former Member

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    I'm sorry for the anxiety you deal with. It sounds horrible. Luckily you have us to help you get your mind off the worries/anxiety!

    I believe that sociopaths actually experience anxiety, and specifically social anxiety. They are very good at covering this anxiety, but it always exists as the sociopath is constantly having the stress of having to put on a facade and the anxiety of getting caught in their lies. They do have anxiety, but it is a by product of them constantly being "in character" to fit in socially.
     
  9. tralala1

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    I'm intrigued by the high functioning Asperger's diagnosis that some have mentioned on this thread because it could explain certain aspects of her personality that observers seem to have trouble categorizing. It explains the genius level verbal skills, the incredible "focus" once she got an idea in her head (murder), and more. I also believe that she has narcissisism and psychopathy.

    But have any of you have listened to The Tape in full? What do you think about her here (ignoring the pornographic parts completely)? This is Jodi as comfortable as I have ever heard her (as compared to the more stressful environments of court, an interrogation, the defendant's chair, addressing jurors, being in a jailhouse, participating in a national tv interview). Yes, she is being deceitful in taping him, but in the actual conversation, she sounds as if she's genuinely enjoying him and the chit chat about movies, music, co-workers). I don't think she intended to kill him when this tape was made.

    In one part, she talks about the time that they watched a movie together--I couldn't understand the title) and Travis made fun of her for crying about it (the only example I know of when Jodi cried for someone else) and she jokingly tells him that at that moment she had thought to herself indignantly "he's so insensitive!" That struck me as a very interesting moment because she was crying about someone else (albeit fictional characters), and because the reason she cried was because the two characters couldn't enjoy the fruits of their friendship due to one of their deaths (I think??) What do you make of this? Sympathy? Empathy?

    Would someone with Asperger's (forgive my ignorance since I have only met a few people with Asperger's) sound so relaxed, be a pretty good conversationalist, be appropriate (ignore the other parts!), be lively and animated, sometimes funny, have no monotone or flat affect. In other worse, sound pretty normal? Yes, there are parts that sound syrupy sweet and fake, but others sound genuine. I'm sure that people with Asperger's have the ability to have all of the above social skills, but would they have all of them "at once"? Her social skills seem highly developed here (despite the fact that she's a vicious killer and she terrifies me!) I hate to say it, but she sounds like some of the friends I had in my twenties. If you haven't heard ALL of this tape, I think you'll find it fascinating.

    I also know that she may be acting here (but would someone with Asperger's be able to act the part of perfect girlfriend/buddy so well?).

    This tape scares me all the more because of how relatively normal she sounds to me--you would never think the person in this tape could do what she did!

    Jodi Arias & Travis Alexander Sex Tape - YouTube
     
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    Sorry to hip it was Beagle Mania that suggested I read privies posts. There is a great deal of tension on this thread. Personally my energy is needed for the battles I fight outside of web forums.
     
  11. Linda7NJ

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    Minus the sex parts, she sounds like she's 14 years old. IMO

    Was she really crying or was it her damsel in distress ploy?


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    I agree! Don't see the anxiety there with Jodi. She seemed umbelievably calm and serene for the first verdict. I too have been diagnosed with GAD, but it's a "mild" form (mild makes it sound almost harmless--it's not!)

    If you want to see anxiety in an interrogation, just watch this video of Stephanie Lazarus. It's fascinating to watch this woman's body react over the course of an hour to that thought that "OMG, I think I'm about to be held accountable for a twenty-five year old murder I committed!" Jodi showed NONE of this behavior in her interrogation videos! Maybe Stephanie Lazarus isn't a psychopath she she definitely has fear and anxiety here!

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    Exactly!! Plus, we can all agree that Jodi is not a super genius. WAIS = 119 = High average.
     
  14. Linda7NJ

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    I shake like a Chihuahua every time her IQ comes up. My adult score is 119 also. Quite a few points lower than when I was tested as a child. It's upsetting to age and get "stoopidier" lol

    When I stop shaking I'm gonna to compare the testing instruments and scoring.


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  15. 2Hip2BSquare

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    Autistic people have low cognitive empathy but normal emotional empathy. They typically move awkwardly and are not as confident as Jodi.

    So if someone were to be a high functioning autistic, it just means they would have a higher cognitive empathy (knowing when they are hurting someone and that it's not right)

    So if Jodi had a highly functioning form of autism, that would indicate she has a higher conscious empathy as well as higher emotional empathy.

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    However, if she had a high cognitive or low cognitive empathy with a morbidly low emotional empathy, she would be a sociopath. With sociopaths the emotional empathy will always be low as the cognitive empathy may vary.
     
  16. 2Hip2BSquare

    2Hip2BSquare Former Member

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    Lived in Maricopa Co AZ and drive to Grand Canyon and back in college.

    It took about 2 hours give or take. And that's at the closest.
     
  17. Linda7NJ

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    IMO her narcissistic self can't bring herself to mimic or fake empathy because that would mean she would have to take responsibility and admit she made a mistake and was sorry. That is in direct conflict with her psychopathic self.


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  18. Beaglemania

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    This cracks me up! :floorlaugh:
     
  19. 2Hip2BSquare

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    Idk why they wouldn't be there.

    If it is bc they expected the court to wait for them then hmmm, I wonder where her narcissistic behavior comes from?

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  20. Beaglemania

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    YES!!! Jodi Ann Arias is not autistic. She never was and never will be autistic. She is a murdering manipulative,narcissistic, borderline personality with severe sociopathic comorbid traits. She is a festering boil on the butt of humanity.
     
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