Poll: your thoughts on the id

[cleo612]

Where could I find that pic, please? Tia!

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[doublejack]

I think they have a tentative ID. Just doing more tests to back it up.

+1. If this were years ago, the body would have been publicly ID'd already. But with modern technology there is really no reason to release an ID anymore until DNA testing is back, which won't be for a little while yet. IMO, that's the only reason the body has not been officially ID'd. LE wants 100% certainty, which is what DNA testing provides.

As far as the crime scene, it is an official crime scene regardless of the body's ID. And as a crime scene it remains in police hands until they choose to release it. So I don't believe the ongoing crime scene processing has any bearing at all on whether the body is ID'd or not. IMO, they're two seperate issues.

 

[doublejack]

The lab can test the remaining hair to see what, if any, drugs had been given to Caylee and for how long a period of time. We will find out is Casey had been drugging little Caylee for months or just a few times. JMO

Isn't it likely that hair would have been recovered from the A's residence?

I'll bet LE has had hair samples for a while. They may not date right to the days when Caylee disappeared, but they should be recent enough to show traces of long term drugging if such a pattern existed.

 

[TakeNote]

I think they have ID it as Caylee.....but in the hearing...this morning...there was mention of some bone that is sent off and being tested for toxicolagy....there for to help with COD.....I think they want to know as much as they can about cause of death...

 

[impatientredhead]

Isn't it likely that hair would have been recovered from the A's residence?

I'll bet LE has had hair samples for a while. They may not date right to the days when Caylee disappeared, but they should be recent enough to show traces of long term drugging if such a pattern existed.

I did some research on hair testing, they need a substantial amount of hair- 30 strands at a minimum. They basically melt the hair for chemical testing. They said drugs consumed today would not show up in the hair for 5 days. Now that they have a body they can do this type of testing, previously they would have had to try to seperate out 30 strands of hair that could be identified as Caylees, and the amount of work, money, and how shakey the results of that type of test holding up would make it not worth it most likely.

 

[NancyT]

I think they're buying as much time as they can. We know it doesn't take 2 weeks to get these results back. I think Laci Peterson's remains were ID'd in like 4 days.

I'm wondering if they're not stalling at the scene where the remains were found to keep the defense from getting in there ASAP. All I can say is, I don't care what they're doing. If Jose' Baez feels cheated, let him prove otherwise in a court of law. If he wants to play games, so can LE. He's putting his experts out there on as many programs as possible crying foul and woe is me. Too damned bad. If they don't like Florida laws on being present at the autopsy, they're all free to leave that state at any time. What's even sillier is, them claiming they should be able to view LE's investigation at the scene. WHEN does that ever happen? After Spector, we know how Dr Henry Lee collects his evidence too, so I'm not sure his opinion matters. He doesn't care about proper procedure and protocol. Post it notes anyone?

 

[impatientredhead]

On the point of withholding ID until the scene is cleared I agree with the poster who said they are two seperate issues. Having gone through this where the victim's identity was absolutely known, the house was seized by the police and NO ONE was allowed on the property until the police were done doing what they whatever they had to do. They took the dogs into evidence and we couldn't get them until they said it was okay (nothing like picking up bloody dogs from impound and having to load them into your car). The suspect was known, an attorney, and even he didn't try to insert himself or his specialist into to the police investigation at their crime scene. Baez is out of his mind making these requests.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

i think the ID is back... but they are holding out information for obvious reasons and i don't blame them. i think they might wait even longer to announce their finds.

i think there is a TON of evidence they're holding out on until the trial.. they're not giving the defense anything to come up with excuses to cover up.

 

[Pattymarie]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3065694&postcount=267

This picture of GA is heartbreaking. I don't know why, but today, for some weird reason, when I heard this "Judge denies KC A's request for autopsy reports," http://www.nbc6.net/news/18292154/detail.html.... I was brought to tears. Of all the announcements of this case, this is what did it for me. I have almost been detached, reading so much of this without emotion and then I get emotional over a simple clinical report. Can't figure it out. I wish I could detach from it completely.

 

[Spangle]

In a high profile, prioritized case, DNA testing can be done in as little as 12 hours.

They have enough to do a tentative ID.

I think once they think (realize) what a problem it will be to have the DNA test done quickly, they will drop the prioritized part of the testing. They don't really need a quick id. They know. They just don't need to "know" right now.

They know that the remains are connected to the A house hold. And know to look in that house for murder weapon, etc. That would be the point of IDing the remains. To help solve the case.

I don't think the LE could hold it back after receiving it. I think it would have to be held back at a higher level. Easier to just not prioritize it.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

It looks to me like they had a tentative ID within a few hours, based on the skull and teeth, cause of death at about 24 hours, had the initial DNA done late yesterday and will probably not announce until about afternoon on the 18th. If not, they are obviously holding back just to put the defense team in what they believe to be their "proper place". I think it's cruel for them to withhold this way. And from what I understand, other states allow observation by the experts from the other side, even work together. If they didn't I believe they should. They told the media they had a tentative ID then told the judge they didn't. But no one seems to have a problem with that. I watched one of the videos a few days ago of the sifting of dirt and the one woman was chatting away, smiling, looking at her co-worker as she pushed the dirt around on the screen. The defense has a right to make sure they are paying attention to what they are doing so they don't miss anything.

 

[crazylovemonkee]

I agree. I do wonder, tho, if they have told the Anthony's.

I would have to agree that LE knew the identity over the weekend but are waiting on the crime scene to be released.... Like you I wonder if they have already told the Anthony's....Could explain why they are asking for immunity....??

 

[drip~drop]

I think ID is back. Held back due to crime scene and until ME determines a COD.

Also, le wants as much time as possible to sift through everything so they can have as much of precious Caylee back and not just left out there.

I just love Dr. G. and the way she is handeling things, giving Caylee some dignity and not allowing the strangers in. :woohoo:
imo :cow:

 

[Themis]

<snipped> ... I watched one of the videos a few days ago of the sifting of dirt and the one woman was chatting away, smiling, looking at her co-worker as she pushed the dirt around on the screen. The defense has a right to make sure they are paying attention to what they are doing so they don't miss anything.

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Defense does not have a right to "make sure they are paying attention to what they are doing so they don't miss anything." Defense does not have a right to supervise or manage the government employees, out in the field or anywhere else. Sorry. That would be chaos.:crazy:

 

[illinoismom]

I think she has ben ID'ed and we will know when LE is done with their investigation.

IMO, all of the scrambling JB and his crew are doing tells me all I need to know about wether this is indeed Caylee....I wonder is KC has told JB?? Hmmm

 

[Spangle]

It looks to me like they had a tentative ID within a few hours, based on the skull and teeth, cause of death at about 24 hours, had the initial DNA done late yesterday and will probably not announce until about afternoon on the 18th. If not, they are obviously holding back just to put the defense team in what they believe to be their "proper place". I think it's cruel for them to withhold this way. And from what I understand, other states allow observation by the experts from the other side, even work together. If they didn't I believe they should. They told the media they had a tentative ID then told the judge they didn't. But no one seems to have a problem with that. I watched one of the videos a few days ago of the sifting of dirt and the one woman was chatting away, smiling, looking at her co-worker as she pushed the dirt around on the screen. The defense has a right to make sure they are paying attention to what they are doing so they don't miss anything.

Their personal opinion and gut feeling might be that it is Caylee. But since they would have to say how they came by that tentative ID of the remains and they can use their personal opinion or gut feeling, they can't use it in court. They can't say it to the judge. Which was the problem on the first day. EVERYONE realized it was Caylee. But they were still gathering stuff to make the legal tentative ID. The judge doesn't have a problem with it, cause he understands the situation and the level of exception of what is said in court.

Because she smiled, she might have missed something? Your kidding right? I dont' mean to be mean, but please think about what your saying.

There are alot of jobs in the world that are unpleasant. Folks that see things you wouldn't want to see or even know about. But in the end, those folks are just like everyone else. They have had to learn it's "a job." To not let 'the job' suck the life out of themselves.

Unless your are willing to hold yourself in the same standard at your job (no matter what that might be) don't be casting stones at others.

We are all human and doing the best we can, under the situations we have to deal with.

 

[dkitty]

I think ID is back. Held back due to crime scene and until ME determines a COD.

I agree...

 

[txmama]

I think they have the initial test results back and it is Caylee. But I think they are double, triple and quadruple testing everything in addition to running every sort of test possible to determine COD, past history of possible drug exposure/abuse and possible DNA testing of who the father really is. I think they are going to make sure that every 't' is crossed and every 'i' is dotted, and then they're going to recheck it again. They want to ensure this case is going to be water-tight.

 

[NancyT]

It looks to me like they had a tentative ID within a few hours, based on the skull and teeth, cause of death at about 24 hours, had the initial DNA done late yesterday and will probably not announce until about afternoon on the 18th. If not, they are obviously holding back just to put the defense team in what they believe to be their "proper place". I think it's cruel for them to withhold this way. And from what I understand, other states allow observation by the experts from the other side, even work together. If they didn't I believe they should. They told the media they had a tentative ID then told the judge they didn't. But no one seems to have a problem with that. I watched one of the videos a few days ago of the sifting of dirt and the one woman was chatting away, smiling, looking at her co-worker as she pushed the dirt around on the screen. The defense has a right to make sure they are paying attention to what they are doing so they don't miss anything.

If they really want answers, all they have to do is have a nice little chit chat with Casey. She has enough answers to go around for EVERYONE.

Oh, and why don't you cite a SINGLE case where defense experts were allowed in during the police investigation? This simply doesn't happen no matter how much anyone wants to scream from the rooftops that it does.

I'll give you, other states do (not saying all do, but I know some do) allow defense experts at the autopsy at times, but that's not so in the state of Florida, WHERE THEY ARE! You don't like a state's laws, get the hell out. Don't enter the state and try to dictate what you should be allowed to do. Remember the Terri Schiavo case? How many people wanted someone (I believe it was Cyril Wecht, but don't take it to the bank) to attend that autopsy? Yet, the courts said, NO! It's Florida, it's their law, deal with it (not you, talking about the defense).

EDIT: And I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard someone stating the other day that they do not have dental records for Caylee.

 

[BeanE]

I think they have the initial test results back and it is Caylee. But I think they are double, triple and quadruple testing everything in addition to running every sort of test possible to determine COD, past history of possible drug exposure/abuse and possible DNA testing of who the father really is. I think they are going to make sure that every 't' is crossed and every 'i' is dotted, and then they're going to recheck it again. They want to ensure this case is going to be water-tight.

I agree 100%, and it makes me feel sooooooooooo good that they are working so hard for Caylee!!!

The people working on this case rock!!!