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Possible connection between the GB4 and other murders

Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by Theforeigner, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. Theforeigner

    Theforeigner Active Member

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    Here is an image I have put together of the 4 AC victims and the 4GB LI victims,
    because IMO they are indeed significant lookalikes, they should be compared in pairs verticaly.
    (4 of the AC victims were mothers, 2 of the GB4 victims were mothers.)

    Add to that that TWO young, PREGNANT, mothers, living within the very same area of Oklahoma City, have been murdered, within that last week in Oklahoma City.
    AND they IDEED are significant lookalikes of 2 of the AC4 victims as well as two of the GB4 victims!

    And at least one of the Oklahoma victims, Jaymie Adams, it turns out, was a providing adds on craigslist, as a prositute.
    Concerning the other girl, Jessica Lynn McPherson-Brown, we dont know yet if she was connetceted to some kind of prostitution?

    Newsreports state that Jessica was a mother of two young children, a daugther 2 years old, and a son 4 years old, and that she divorced her husband earlier last year, spring 2011.
    She is, according to newsreports, a " reservist for the Oklahoma National Guard".
    Since Jessica Lynn McPherson-Brown was pregnant, I assume the father was somone different than the father of her other two cildren, I wonder WHO?

    Concerning the GB4 and the AC4 victims:
    I belive it is possible that the killer, for whatever reason, wanted to kill the very same 4 woman over and over again, and therefore choose the 4 LI victims on craigslist because on craigslist he could choose his victims by looks, because the prostitues had photos of them selves on their adds.
    Then he could picked his victims that looked like the 4 AC victims.

    WHY would he possibly do that???
    IMHO because his murder of the AC4 was VERY, VERY personal, at least towards ONE of the AC victims! victim nr 4.

    The other 3 victims, who ALL 3 knew victim nr 4, he killed IMO in order to scare victim nr 4 so much as to that she would give up her life as a prostitute and drug addict, and go back home to HIM and her family and take care of her children and husband.

    I belive the killer was obsessed by AC Victim nr 4...Kim Raffo.

    She choose NOT to do that, and was murdered as the 4th AC victim.

    I belive that the killer had now evolved into a true serial killer and continued his "Mission" on Long island.

    Has he now moved to Oklahoma???

    Tell me what you think?


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  2. etkay

    etkay New Member

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    Very similar looks. Interesting

    Has anyone heard of or looked into possible similarities to the West Mesa murders? I ran across the article below and two things struck me.
    1. 11 adult female bodies and 1 unborn child found in the desert. 10 women linked to prostitution.
    2. They questioned a guy who lives in Missouri but traveled with State Fairs.

    http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/PD-More-women-involved-in-Mesa-murders

    Editing to add a couple other thoughts (without a 3 yo pulling on my leg!)
    Our state fair has huge slides - the kids sit on large, burlap sacks when they slide down. They have tons of them.
    Long Island state fair is held yearly in the fall. From the fair's website:http://www.lifair.org/history.htm "After 166 years the Long Island Fair continues as the only New York State sanctioned County Fair for the counties of Queens, Nassau and Suffolk."
     
  3. Pinkhammer

    Pinkhammer New Member

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    I don't see much of a facial resemblance. Two of the AC victims are older women, 35 and 40. The Oklahoma vics are young and pretty.
     
  4. CanManEh

    CanManEh New Member

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    Hey I am sorry I allready know this is gonna be a little OT but i gotta ask . The girl named Amber Lynn Costello On her specifically Im wondering if anyone knows somewhat specific details about her where she has lived .when this all was happening was she on like nancy amd JVM were thier missing persons searches for her that we would have seen on HLN or a dateline 48 hours maybe but specifically on her does anyone know if she alone made headlines for being missing and also where did she live or move around too..The reason iam asking is because i swear on my life I know her from somewhere I live in Ontario however i was also a semi pro baseball player in the states and played on canadian national team so i have been all over so many town that i couldn't even remember so i don't know if its from actually seeing this girl before OR Is it because of the dateline and 48 hours or JVM And NG and she was on tv enough that u get to kinda familiarize thier look . For example If I came across a picture of jennifer kesse and it wasn't a photo that said missing but just her pic right away i would say hey i know that girl then after a few seconds it would clue in Ohhh thats jen kesse from orlando ..So I may just be experiencing that from seeing her pic on the crime shows so if anyone remembers was there ever anything done when her specifically went missing like a show or whatever I don't know why but when i seen her pic just now i swore i new or had seen that girl in person before or was it just from tv..
     
  5. CanManEh

    CanManEh New Member

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    Maybe Im wrong but when i watched 48 hours mystery..That was brought up during the show quite abit about these new victoms and if they were connected. And I havn't heard any like coincediences to make me think that they were linked well other then what they did for work and how it ended so Iam not sure if they are connected or not..But i do know it was talked about during that episode ...The Long Island fair and that beech yes this is OT sorry but is that where they film those shows jersey shore...
     
  6. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    The foreigner, Thanks for this thread. I am bringing over my post from the rumor thread.....

    I have been wondering why the killer has no known victims in 2008 and also why the GB4 all went missing in the Summer months. This led me to speculate that the person may travel and was away from LI in 2008. Because many New Yorkers travel to FL in the winter and spend summers in NY, I wondered if SK is one of those who migrate south in the winter and perhaps spent 2008 in FL to establish proof of residency there as FL has no state income taxes, IIRC, (unless it has changed). I have also considered that the SK travels up and down the East coast on business trips.

    So that led me to review the Daytona4 to check for any dates in 2008. There were none but I found something interesting about the dates which I'll post with other info at the end of this post.

    Then just for the heck of it I checked the dates of the AC4 and found those dates interesting also as it DOES make me wonder if this person travels the East coast and changes his MO with his location and the situation it provides to procure his victims. There were no AC victims in 2008.

    Here is info on the victims.......

    GB4-wrapped in burlap, possible asphixiation, all disappeared in summer

    Maureen Brainard Barnes......last seen July 09, 2007
    Melissa Barthelemy.............last seen July 12, 2009
    Megan Waterman................last seen June 6, 2010 (6-6 is actually spring)
    Amber Costello...................last seen Sept 2, 2010

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_16...in;contentBody

    AC4-All victims found in a ditch, strangled, no shoes or socks, all found in Fall, Nov. 20, 2006

    Molly Dilts.........................last seen 10-07-2006
    Barbara Brieder..................last seen 10-17-2006
    Tracy Ann Roberts..............last seen 11-??-2006
    Kim Raffo..........................last seen 11-19-2006

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_16...in;contentBody

    DB4-All victims found nude, killed by gunshot to the head. All murdered in Winter, 2005-2007.

    LaQuetta Gunther..............killed.......12-24-2005.
    Julie Green.......................killed........01-??-2006
    Iwanna Patton..................killed........02-??-2006
    Stacy Gage.......................killed........12-??-2007 (found in 2008)


    http://www.news-journalonline.com/ne...isappears.html

    Where is 2008?

    IF these case are connected, and I am not saying they are, then could the perp have undergone a 'life change' in 2008 that caused him to stop his killing? Did any of our usual suspects have a 'life change' in 2008?

    Independently or collectively, it is bugging me that there are no known victims in 2008 in any of these 3 cases. It also bugs me that the victims were killed in groups of 4 on the East coast, it bugs me that each group of 4 were murdered in different seasons, it bugs me that each set of victims, ie, GB4, AC4, DB4, were murdered in a different manner, but the 4 victims in each location were murdered in the same manner. AND it bugs me that many of the collective victims were murdered on or around holiday seasons.

    Just thinking outside the box. thoughts?

    MOO
    wm
     
  7. Lera213

    Lera213 New Member

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    waltzingmatilda that is fascinating how you came up with that. I wonder about the dates of the OK victims?

    Up in Canada there were some prostitute's killed also and I do not believe it was solved. I forgot where...I was looking a few weeks about. They are unsolved cases. LE has not stated how they died!
     
  8. Lera213

    Lera213 New Member

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    maybe he was arrested in 2008, or he traveled to another state we are not aware of.
     
  9. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Lera, I hope he was arrested in 2008 and wasn't able to kill any others. I wish DNA was collected for all arrests but I think it varies between states.

    The break in 2008 is driving me nuts. :p I am thinking that maybe there are victims and we just don't know about them yet.

    wm
     
  10. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Ironically, the first OK victim disappeared around the time of the last search for Shannan. IIRC around Dec. 9. I'll see if I can find a link.

    ETA

    Here's the link to Jaymie Adams thread. She disappeared on 12-09-2011.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157241"]Found Deceased OK - Jaymie Adams, 25, Blanchard, 09 Dec 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
     
  11. CanManEh

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    You might be talking about Ottawa ontario I live in Ontario too but far away from ottawa but a few months back it was all over the news that Police believed that possably a SK was targeting women working the streets sex trade workers ...But I don't recall hearing anymore about it after the seeing it on the news awhile ago..
     
  12. etkay

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    I'm on the west coast and we saw very little coverage of the bodies being found - even less of who the victims were. I don't recall seeing her picture until I came to this site. Hope that helps :)
     
  13. Theforeigner

    Theforeigner Active Member

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    Deleeted due to doubble post, sorry
     
  14. Dwntwnslim

    Dwntwnslim Former Member

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    @ waltzingmatilda-

    Impressive research!
     
  15. Lera213

    Lera213 New Member

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    It could be...they refuse to release how they all died too which is frustrating.
     
  16. scandi

    scandi New Member

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    Your post made me think about a poster we had here who was totally into studying the murders up and down the East Coast. He said they were all along a main hwy, and I remember it was during the time Mohammed and his buddy killed those people with shotguns.

    I can't think of this posters name, but he was a wealth of knowledge. His name was a bit unusual too. Wish I could find him as anything around 2006 he would have looked into.

    Does anyone remember this poster? He lived on the East Coast and was sure there was a SK traveling up and down the Eastern seaboard cities.

    I'll go look in the first threads on the AC murders. Maybe he posted there. Ta
     
  17. nugzter

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    Could the LISK be a Copy Cat Killer? Maybe he is killing in groups of 4 to pay tribute to his SK "heroes". I found this about Burlap used in Serial Killings from the past.

    http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkillers/K/KOMAROFF_vassili.php

    "Vasili led his captors to the dumping grounds where five more corpses lay in burlap bags."

    This could explain why the method of discarding his victims is different.
    This is just a theory and MOO.
     
  18. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Thanks scandi, I do recall the poster but cannot remember his name. Lemme know if you find anything.

    wm
     
  19. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    ~snipped from above post #6, additional info added in red~

    GB4-wrapped in burlap, possible asphixiation, all disappeared in summer

    Maureen Brainard Barnes......last seen July 09, 2007 Monday, waning quarter moon, July 4 was the prior Wednesday

    Melissa Barthelemy.............last seen July 12, 2009Sunday, waning gibbous moon, July 4th was one week and one day prior on a Saturday.

    Megan Waterman................last seen June 6, 2010 (6-6 is actually spring)Sunday, waning crescent moon, Memorial Day was 6 days prior on Monday 5-31

    Amber Costello...................last seen Sept 2, 2010 Thursday, waning quarter moon, Labor day was 4 days later on Mon. Sept 6

    Ok, here's what I theorize about the killer of the GB4.....

    He is married with children and lives on LI. The wife and kid(s) travel on vacation maybe for an extended visit to relatives while school is on hiatus and he stays behind. "When the cat's away the mice will play." (as the saying goes) I doubt the wife has any idea of his secret life. It is not uncommon for those in a loveless marriage to live separate lives but stay together 'for the children's sake'?

    The moon phases intrigue me. Could he plan so meticously that he captures his victim on a waning moon and holds them for a few days to do his dastardly deeds and then disposes of them on the night of the new moon when it is a dark night? My guess is yes, IMHO this is a highly organized killer. However, I betcha this killer likes to party with booze and coke and gamble as he most likely has a grandiose opinion of his own self.

    Now, IF, big if, he is also responsible for the AC4 and DB4, my guess is because he must travel away from the family during the school year to keep his crimes a secret. The AC murders occured in Oct/Nov 2006 and the DB murders occured in Dec/Jan/Feb of 2005, 2006 & 2007 He has a bit more freedom on the road than he does on LI and there is no reason to wrap his victims in these other locations as he is just passing through or on a gambling vacation to casinos or dog tracks. Also, he doesn't have access to burlap on the road. It would also defeat the purpose to stay anonymous if he used the same disposal/killing method for each location as he is organized and in control.

    Do any of our LI locals know when the school year ends in NY? Does it end before the Memorial day holiday? If the school year ends after June 6, (Megan's last seen date) then this theory may not hold water but if I would especially be interested in seeing a school calender for NY in 2010.

    Here's my source for the moon phases....

    .http://www.wunderground.com/history...eq_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1

    Hope this all makes sense as I am just thinking and typing.

    wm
     
  20. Dwntwnslim

    Dwntwnslim Former Member

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    @waltzingmatilda-

    Once again, impressive research!
     

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