Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert #2

[Sallyla]

If the recordings pointed to a certain person and a certain crime they would have used it and made it public years ago.. My guess is the 911 operators are mocking Shannan. That's why the police tries to supress the tapes.

If they were acting in good faith, yes. But they probably weren’t.

 

[Sallyla]

Error

 

[Blueeyedbrowngirl]

Judge Denies Release of Tapes to Public:

Judge denies public release of 911 tapes tied to Shannan Gilbert death

 

[Blueeyedbrowngirl]

Sometimes certain information - like the Court’s decision regarding the 911 tapes - deserves its own space. This way, those who wish to read and/or discuss only the decision (and maybe applicable case law, similar rulings, and how the law works and will likely proceed in this instance) have it readily available without sifting or digging for it; boom, bam, right there, ready to go and right to the headline like a drive-through order of fast news. Of course, this is simply my opinion and I’m no one special.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Here's another since the Newsday site has a paywall.

Judge denies request for public release of Shannan Gilbert 911 recordings

“The tapes and the transcripts will be used against what the police said occurred on that fateful night,” he continued. “Those tapes are shocking. Those tapes will be very disturbing to the public.”
Ray says there is another hearing scheduled for next month to determine whether a specific person or entity could also be given access to the tapes.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Here is a continuation of Gilgo Beach/LISK Case Archives.... specifically for 10 years after.
After 10 Years - Will There Be Justice

Main page for all the sections:
Gilgo Beach Long Island Murders -NY-

 

[WINDSOR]

Are we safe to assume that with Judge Berland's latest ruling in support of the SCPD and their efforts to supress the publication of the tapes and transcripts, we can expect SCPD to continue to actively investigating this case as they have in the past 10 years?

 

[Blueeyedbrowngirl]

Are we safe to assume that with Judge Berland's latest ruling in support of the SCPD and their efforts to supress the publication of the tapes and transcripts, we can expect SCPD to continue to actively investigating this case as they have in the past 10 years?

The Court’s decision tells me that the tapes are damning, but damning of who is the big question. And, though Mr. Ray can petition the Court to allow the family to listen to the recordings, there’s no guarantee that his request will be granted.

Keeping these tapes from the public is one thing, but keeping them from the family - especially after 10 years - is straight up cruel and torturous. My money says that if/when a day comes for the public to hear the tapes, some listener(s) will provide a viable tip before sundown. Bank on it.

 

[Sallyla]

Ray should send a transcript abroad and have it published and be damned. If what he says is on that call then they would never, ever be able to punish him.

 

[WINDSOR]

Ray should send a transcript abroad and have it published and be damned. If what he says is on that call then they would never, ever be able to punish him.

There probably would be an action to take Ray's law license away, at minimun, if he did this. Ray could have some enemies in the legal profession who would be eager to see that happen.

 

[Betty P]

Another article

Long Island judge denies motion to unseal tapes of 911 call from woman believed to be Gilgo Beach serial killing victim

Berland is giving Gilbert’s family another chance. He ordered their lawyer, John Ray, to submit a narrower request and state the specific purpose for justifying the release of the recordings held by Suffolk County police. That may involve a request to let Gilbert’s family hear the tapes.

Ray’s request is due Dec. 4, and Suffolk County authorities are supposed to reply by Dec. 16.

BBM

Ray has said she was murdered. He has heard recordings of 911 calls made the night of Gilbert’s disappearance — her 23-minute call among them — and has described them as “shocking and disturbing.”

Ray noted in papers filed Thursday that the Suffolk Police Department had not transcribed the recordings or performed a voice analysis. “This failure suggests real inertia as to the alleged active criminal investigation of Shannan Gilbert’s death,” he wrote.

 

[Betty P]

I also found this quote about Shannan relevant from an article last month, when Ray announced the 911 tapes should be made public:

Attorney: 911 calls on day Shannan Gilbert vanished should be public

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Geraldine Hart, who has sought to energize the investigation in January by releasing evidence to the public in hopes of receiving new information, said then that she wasn't ruling out the possibility that Gilbert was a victim in the case.

"She is one of 11 bodies found in the same circumstances — most of those bodies are also sex workers," Ray said Thursday. "And we are to say, ‘Oh, that’s just a coincidence.’ How absurd is that?"

BBM

 

[GrayShadow]

Something I posted in another thread, For what it is worth, some thought as to the continued public non-disclosure and possibly why JR feels the tapes are so explosive.

Suppose for a moment that SG (1) was actually able to provide more precise location information but it was mishandled (beyond the transfer of the call to NY State Police); (2) provided additional information as to why she feared for her life; (3) was able to provide names or provide descriptions; or what if (4) when SG was on 911 while still at JB’s and the background voices were not just JB and MP as has been reported and (5) those voices were identifiable and in contradiction to what JB and MP gave in following investigative discussion; (6) as SG went door to door while still connected to 911 that the homeowners’ voices were also recorded and later testimony found contradiction; or, OMG, even worse (7) the tapes reveal SG encounters someone while running who identifies themselves as LE; what if that voice is identifiable?

If releasing the 911 tapes were to simply reveal a terribly mishandled call that would be an embarrassment to the County, current LE and prosecution would jump to release them with great fanfare if only to be able to say “that was then, this is now” and “that happened under the old guard and we are here now fixing things.”

There is very likely something tangible on those tapes that indicates a culpability and LE has not yet compiled enough evidence to secure a conviction. And if that intended conviction is for a government official? There need be a lot of credible, solid, untainted evidence. Things need be done by the book.

 

[Betty P]

Something I posted in another thread, For what it is worth, some thought as to the continued public non-disclosure and possibly why JR feels the tapes are so explosive.

Agree, the possibilities you mention seem possible. LE has had this tape for at least 10 years now. A 10 year investigation and they still can't make their case? That this has become a cold case is mind boggling, especially given the past behavior of some. JMO

Some folks following this case may not follow very many murder cases. They might not realize this case is very unusual in the way it's been handled, the length of time, the amount of evidence, etc. JMO, the amount of stonewalling by investigators is far greater than in almost any other case I've followed.

 

[GrayShadow]

Another something I posted to a different thread . . .

WHAT IF?

What if SG was an accident? Not saying that her “death” was an accident, but the “location” was an accident? If this incident had occurred somewhere else (say Nassau County or just about anywhere else in Suffolk County), how would it have been investigated? A fearful woman banging on doors, screaming “they’re trying to kill me”. It quite likely would have been investigated accordingly and come to resolution long ago. But that did not happen with SG. I believe the SG investigation, such as it was, was hampered from the very beginning due to two factors.

First, LE knew early on it was dealing with an escort. JB was candid with LE about his ‘involvement’ with her that immediate morning. Unfortunately, LE was not particularly interested in a missing escort, especially hearing from GC of the Asian man in the SUV looking for her as well. “He was probably her pimp, picked her up and they are long gone now. There’s nothing left to investigate.” Or so they thought May 1. Even on May 3 when MP and JB went to Suffolk LE, there was understandably, still little interest. She was an adult, she was an escort, so she is probably just doing what she does.

Consider, LE received multiple 911 calls from OB residents at roughly 5:30am on May 1 reporting a frantic woman. Then on May 3, JB (SG’s client) AD (SG’s ‘roommate’) go to LE and state SG is still missing. That conversation likely included AD indicating SG’s driver (MP) left the area without her. That would logically rule out the supposed ‘pimp driver’ having helped her leave the area.

Second, the incident involving an already known to be escort happened in Suffolk County on Jones Beach Island. As the ‘missing escort on Jones Beach Island’ began to circulate in SCPD, I believe panic began to rise among certain LE. A full and legitimate investigation extending beyond Oak Beach might be particularly damaging.

What if LE had some level of culpability in or more knowledge of the the OTHER remains that might be found if an in-depth investigation went forth related to SG?

 

[burntsnoop]

As far as "the Drifter", there is a recording with Scalise talking to Mystery Mom 7 on the internet, if you look around you'll find it. In the audio clip Scalise says the drifter IS Paul Adams. Now in "Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter" , the author "W" aka "Vito Safarti" tells a tale of being involved in burglaries, drugs, etc. This is very consistent with Paul Adams criminal history. Their ages also line up.... Why does "W" paint such a dark portrait of Brewer. Brewer supposedly told the cops that "W' was present that night, it's two scumbags saying "You Did It!", "No, You Did It!".

Having a hard time locating this. Somehow have missed. Do you have a link?

 

[GrayShadow]

MY OPINION. It is bleak, at best.

Suffolk County administration, law enforcement and prosecution succumbed to and then both ignored and nurtured corruption, coverup, nepotism, illegal activity within ranks for many years prior to the SG/GB4 tragedy. It has been scarcely different than a mafioso family-type enterprise for decades. Much of this is the result of the extent to which politics plays into LE and prosecutorial leadership and administration in the County.

Are Suffolk County politics any different than other NYS counties? I have no clue as the point of comparing or evaluating county processes was not in my realm of interest. My interest being strictly why these cases, more generally referred to as LISK, have languished for so long and been shrouded in secrecy, misinformation, and suspicion.

I believe that Suffolk County officials are now entirely incapable of solving the various deaths discovered following SG’s disappearance. I am confident there are good public servants eager and willing to bring these cases to resolution. However, the taint and stench of previous ‘direction’ (I cannot bring myself to call it ‘leadership’) and the elite protectionism previously abundant, render these good peoples’ best intentions as impotent and likely resisted by persons and corrupt culture still embedded. Unlikely to be able to charge and convict, why should those well intended parties risk their pensions? As long as the Suffolk body politic has reign over LE and prosecutorial leadership and administration, justice in Suffolk County will never be blind.

Why has nothing been resolved? Suffolk County LE and prosecution did not want a comprehensive and full on investigation for fear it would expose all the other ‘incidents’ and ‘issues’ and ‘involvements’ incumbent upon their “administration” – all their activities outside of the law. The thread of illegal activity is woven through Suffolk business and citizenry as well as LE, prosecution, and public office. That thread was and likely still is widespread. SG, GB4 and the other human remains are but ‘chapters’ in an otherwise larger ‘book’ of misuse and abuse of power. Any (re)solution to these horrible, horrible crimes will require entirely external investigation totally unencumbered or influenced by Suffolk County officials and politics.

Federal action – grand juries, indictments, subpoenas, leveraged admissions, non-prosecution agreements for testimony, and given the age of the crimes now perhaps even ‘yet to be developed’ forensic capabilities – is necessary for any hope to legitimately solve LISK.

The elapse of time sans aggressive and uninhibited investigation is in itself problematic. Was all the crucial crime scene evidence collected? Has that evidence been appropriately tracked and accounted for? Does it all even still exist? Many witnesses related to both corruption and SG are now deceased or departed the county. Memories are faded. Recollection more difficult.

My belief and fear is that justice for the so called LISK victims and their families may never be served.

 

[burntsnoop]

MY OPINION. It is bleak, at best.

Suffolk County administration, law enforcement and prosecution succumbed to and then both ignored and nurtured corruption, coverup, nepotism, illegal activity within ranks for many years prior to the SG/GB4 tragedy. It has been scarcely different than a mafioso family-type enterprise for decades. Much of this is the result of the extent to which politics plays into LE and prosecutorial leadership and administration in the County.

Are Suffolk County politics any different than other NYS counties? I have no clue as the point of comparing or evaluating county processes was not in my realm of interest. My interest being strictly why these cases, more generally referred to as LISK, have languished for so long and been shrouded in secrecy, misinformation, and suspicion.

I believe that Suffolk County officials are now entirely incapable of solving the various deaths discovered following SG’s disappearance. I am confident there are good public servants eager and willing to bring these cases to resolution. However, the taint and stench of previous ‘direction’ (I cannot bring myself to call it ‘leadership’) and the elite protectionism previously abundant, render these good peoples’ best intentions as impotent and likely resisted by persons and corrupt culture still embedded. Unlikely to be able to charge and convict, why should those well intended parties risk their pensions? As long as the Suffolk body politic has reign over LE and prosecutorial leadership and administration, justice in Suffolk County will never be blind.

There is something that sets Suffolk County apart from other NY counties.... $$$$$$$$

Oh and one of the (if not the) largest and highest paid police forces in the country.

 

[GrayShadow]

There is something that sets Suffolk County apart from other NY counties.... $$$$$$$$

Oh and one of the (if not the) largest and highest paid police forces in the country.

Quite true on both counts. And highest paid means all the more reason to protect their pensions and keep quiet.

 

[WINDSOR]

Great summation GrayShadow.
Does anybody had connections or links to the incoming Federal Congressional Representatives? Maybe that is where the solution lies?