Post Your LISK Profile #2

[Mountain_Kat]

Mystery attic, you hit it. I believe he has a form of phone OCD where he has to constantly call and call especially when he is ignored. Girls who have dated this creep will have experienced this

In my mind, he's a drunk dialer. I think when he's not drunk he contemplates calling, but restrains himself. But when he's lit , he can't resist the temptation to push the boundaries. Loneliness (I mean this in the sense of being left alone to his own devices) and boredom keeps him picking up the phone, imo. Look at how often he called Amber and how long he kept her on the phone.

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

In my mind, he's a drunk dialer. I think when he's not drunk he contemplates calling, but restrains himself. But when he's lit , he can't resist the temptation to push the boundaries. Loneliness (I mean this in the sense of being left alone to his own devices) and boredom keeps him picking up the phone, imo. Look at how often he called Amber and how long he kept her on the phone.

Does anyone know if the calls to Melissa's sister were recorded? He apparently called her 7 times, one would think the cops would be on that and have them at least record the calls from the cell phone. As mentioned many times if they did happen to record them it sure would be helpful to make them public, however with that said I guess it would hinder the investigation.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Does anyone know if the calls to Melissa's sister were recorded? He apparently called her 7 times, one would think the cops would be on that and have them at least record the calls from the cell phone. As mentioned many times if they did happen to record them it sure would be helpful to make them public, however with that said I guess it would hinder the investigation.

If think LE only traced the calls, but didn't record them. Lynn Barthelemy's phone didn't have recording capabilities. By the time she managed to borrow a phone that did, he never called again.

 

[HarshReality]

My LISK profile:
White Male, current age 40-50
Occupation - law enforcement, public works, or transportation with uniform and vehicle markings
Lives on Long Island near Massapequa/Babylon, works or frequents in Midtown Manhattan.
Possible transplant with a history of visiting the area as a youth
Alcohol and drug user
History of trouble in school and a loner/outsider
Physically unassuming, possibly soft spoken, quiet, not attractive but not scary or disfigured
Currently married and/or in jail

This killer is not responsible for the Manorville torso killings.

 

[Pulled onion]

I have read the book lost girls and I watched the 48 Hour show about the Gilgo Beach murders. I also have been reading many of the posts on WS.
My profile for LISK IMO is. He is a white male. Slightly older than his victims. He is from the East Coast. The family he is from is wealthy. I believe his parents were very set in their ways. May have looked down on certain types of people. I think he might have gone to a private school. Either Military or religious. I also think IMO that he served in the Military possibly Vietnam. And he has been College educated. He may have two homes. One close to Manhattan where most of the girls worked. And one in Florida not far from Orlando. He bought a throw away phone. And used the name Micky Mouse. He is a man's man. IMO he hangs out with men like JB and other wealthy men who have been to the parties that JB gave. He knows how to communicate with men and women. And he likes to make them look up to him. As a caring friend. He asks them about themselves. And buys them things. Most of the girls he hires think of him almost like a big brother or a daddy figure. He tells them he will help them out for money or rides whenever they are in need. You know the Richard Gere type. These girls fall for it. In his mind he hates these women. He feels like they don't matter. He likes the kill. He only gets pleasure by watching his victims suffer. I believe there are more victims. And IMO JB and PH and also the Cop probably know or think they know who LISK is. They will not say because of fear of him or of ruining their reputation.

 

[Pulled onion]

LISK IMO drives nice cars. He leases them. In order to hide DNA. He uses these cars to impress the woman. Nice cars mean big money. This also helps to build trust with these woman. IMO the woman feel that if he drives a car like that. He must be a nice successful man. He probably changes cars regularly. And no one can point him out by his car.

 

[Sallyla]

Really interesting thread.

FWIW, I think:

He’s white. Purely because it’s unusual for serial killers to kill outside their own race.

He has wealth. I think it’s all but confirmed the GB4 were killed and stored elsewhere for some time. So it’s likely he has enough money to maintain 2 premises in an area with very high real estate values. One of those places would have needed to be remote enough for sounds and smell not to be noticeable to others.

I think he was getting older when the GB4 were found. This is because I am absolutely convinced by the burlap and the bodies conditions & proximity to the road shows he was no longer able to decapitate or drag bodies into deep vegetation to hide. This might have been an issue he didn’t have to deal with for a while if the bodies were in a second location. But it seems like events around Shannan heated things up enough to make him feel he needed to move the bodies to a place not linked to him. The burlap, the belt, being right by the road. I think he used them to help himself carry the bodies as he couldn’t move them alone without some sort of apparatus to help. That’s age.

I feel very, very confident he lives in or very close to Oak Beach. This is because I think there is very, very good reason to think he knew about the activity taking place there around Shannan’s disappearance. If you look at the dates (leaving out Cherries as she was stabbed & disposed of differently)

Peaches: 1997
Valerie Mack: 2000
Jessica Taylor: 2003
Maureen: 2007
Melissa: 2009

Then Shannan goes missing in May 2010 then:

Meghan: June 2010
Amber: September 2010.

He suddenly speeded up killing and then moved the bodies which had been safely stored without discovery for many years.

Before that his kills seemed to be fairly neatly measured out. He could go for a few years between kills. Observe the aftermath and learn from it.

But it speeded up after Shannan then he moved the bodies. That says to me that he knew that it was coming to an end. That people were making noise and asking questions. So he had 2 final ‘farewells’ then moved the bodies so they couldn’t be linked back to him.

When Shannan went missing it was only really known in the local area, so for LISK’s behaviour to be influenced by that event, LISK would have to live there. It wasn’t until October Jaclyn Galluci’s piece was published. So that could have influenced ditching the bodies elsewhere, but not the killing of Meghan & Amber in such quick succession.

Cherries could fit in with this too. With the women except Peaches & Cherries, we’re working with the date they disappeared. With Cherries and Peaches, it’s the date their remains were found. It’s possible he’d kept them alive or preserved the tissue and Cherries may have been abducted well before her remains were found. Aside from Amber & Meghan, we have no idea how long he kept the others alive.

Valerie Mack went missing in Summer 2000 and her remains weren’t found until November. She also had a healed fracture in her nose that we know wasn’t present before she disappeared. So he kept her long enough to break her nose and for it to subsequently heal. Cherries could well have been abducted in mid 2006 or even as early as 2005.

That’s all I’d stick my neck out with though. I’d think that he uses hire cars frequently and has strong tech knowledge. Maybe works shifts or frequently away from home.

 

[Sallyla]

LISK IMO drives nice cars. He leases them. In order to hide DNA. He uses these cars to impress the woman. Nice cars mean big money. This also helps to build trust with these woman. IMO the woman feel that if he drives a car like that. He must be a nice successful man. He probably changes cars regularly. And no one can point him out by his car.

I agree he probably hires cars, but I don’t think they’re flashy. Think about it, he’s going to want to be as inconspicuous as possible and not get noticed picking the women up.

I also don’t think a client appearing wealthy would have made these very streetwise girls feel safe. Sometimes the richest are the worst as they can pay to make it go away if things go wrong.

I imagine they would have been more likely so let their guard down with someone who appeared kindly and sympathetic than someone wealthy. With his own family maybe, so a fairly upscale family car, but not upscale enough to attract attention.

 

[Pulled onion]

I agree he probably hires cars, but I don’t think they’re flashy. Think about it, he’s going to want to be as inconspicuous as possible and not get noticed picking the women up.

I also don’t think a client appearing wealthy would have made these very streetwise girls feel safe. Sometimes the richest are the worst as they can pay to make it go away if things go wrong.

I imagine they would have been more likely so let their guard down with someone who appeared kindly and sympathetic than someone wealthy. With his own family maybe, so a fairly upscale family car, but not upscale enough to attract attention.

Thank you Sallyla. I am not saying that this is a fact it is only my opinion. I was just thinking that there was something that made these woman. That I believe we're tough as nails. Let there guard down so much. That they put themselves in danger.

 

[Sallyla]

One thing I did forget.

The last two after Shannan were taken from Long Island, places quite nearby. Again, that change in behaviour also makes me think he’s a local from Oak Beach who knew there was a fuss being raised about Shannan. He may not have felt safe with elaborate plots and ruses to get girls up from NYC with the extra vigilance at Oak Beach.

I think wherever he stored the bodies prior to putting them at the beach would have been key to solving this. Particularly if the police had appealed to the public about buildings used at odd times of with odd features like soundproofing or cellars. Too late for that now though.

 

[theShrike]

I would argue that he lived in the city or close to it vice out on LI. None of the activity out on LI suggests more than a general area knowledge. Everything occurs just off the freeway or close to it. Objective seems to be doing something quick under cover of darkness as opposed to any significant comfort with the screening or clandestinity of a location. Meanwhile, lots occurred right in the city and during off-hours no less - some of it extremely risky. No one ever does risky in a place they don’t know. Jessica Taylor (last seen at Port Authority), MBB (last reported location at Penn Station), Melissa (last seen in the Bronx). MBB’s last phone call to her sister was very late and she was expected back in CT at 6am ish that same morning. That was a Sunday night if I’m right? Who drives into the city near midnight on a Sunday? The creepy phone calls to Melissa’s sister (risky!!) - traced to Times Square or Midtown area. I also read somewhere that all those calls occurred at or after dinner time.
In MBB’s case, her sister said that phone record logs revealed several burner phone contacts - one being registered to Mickey Mouse & purchased in Manhattan.
So, does it make more sense to kill & dump near where you live (driving into the city for pick-ups, phone calls & burner purchases) or pick-up, call & purchase local then dump somewhere out beyond? I would argue the later, mostly because driving all the way into the city to buy a phone or make a series of 1min phone calls seems like too much effort than it’s worth. So maybe he worked in the city? Or commuted downtown from somewhere close. Brooklyn or Queens. Probably the most plausible. I am just not of the opinion that this guy is dumping near his home neighborhood out on LI.

MBB’s disappearance is the most head scratching for me (and relates to above). All scenarios seem so unlikely or implausible. Very little time for the killer to drive in for a pick up given MBB’s time constraints (although maybe not so bad from Brooklyn or Queens?). And certainly all calls to her phone during those last hours would have shown up & been investigated. But maybe MBB had a phone no one knew about? (Remember that when MBB went missing her sister checked all phone records and email because she had the passwords). Even if MBB’s sister didn’t know or have access to the ‘work phone,’ this number would be easily identifiable on her Craigslist page and subsequently investigated. Does having a third, clean burner (for special clients, perhaps) seem plausible? Who knows.
But it also makes no sense that this was a target of opportunity situation. He’s trolling the area near midnight on a Sunday and just so happens to bump into MBB who fits his profile to a T - a petite Craigslist escort in need of money? No way. So how did they connect if not on a phone? Is it at all possible he was stalking her somehow? This is what MBBs sister has openly suspected. But how in the world would that scenario play out?

geez this is getting long, sorry. Last point I want to make is the tech angle. Many have commented before about this guy’s familiarity with technology. I would agree, but also add that it seems particularly unusual, at least for mid-late 2000s. Makes me think he’s reasonably educated or maybe just has a particular interest in knowing everything about getting off-grid. Oh, and he’s a racist (half-breed). Gay perhaps. Some sort of connection to Paul Allen I’m guessing. No more barriers for him to cross…

 

[theShrike]

Also remember that according to LE’s initial investigation into MBBs disappearance, they were of the opinion that she had not left Manhattan- this according to her phone activity. Hence, she did not go and meet the killer as some have suggested, he picked her up. If she had taken a train out to LI to meet up with the him her phone would have registered or pinged off those towers. Same goes for Melissa. She had told her people about having a date out on LI - BUT she walked off and got picked up by someone or so the story goes. No activity on her phone either - until the killer used it to call the sister. In both cases, these girls were picked up and instructed (nicely or not so nicely) to turn off their phone. It was only after Shannon that the killer started requesting that his victims leave their phones behind. Was this because of Shannon? Probably not. I’m guessing he knew that phones had advanced to a degree where it was impossible to mitigate their tracking features.

 

[jpfdtriggerH]

May i omit some basic details of the profile and go deeper on some aspects i consider important

sexual sadist organized serial killer

Some things that comes to mind regarding LISK

* Fire island jane doe is important (1997). because is the first that we know of. According to FBI the first case is important
becuase satistically is the closest to home. It seems her remains floated or were dumped maybe from a boat or from
great south bay (depend on the currents).

* He travelled manorville and other LI remote sites from the coast to dump body parts. It means he has confidence
Also knowledge of recreational areas. (practices golf, horse riding?, boating?). I doubt he is active LE because seems
enjoys too much free time to roam for escorts. Since he is very organized he has and needs very good excuse to travel so much

* He has good financials and time to spare. Not a blue collar worker.

* MBB sister heard his voice. Not a strong LI, NY accent.

* Good technical understanding (spoofed his IP in craiglist, knows how cell towers work, maybe how the triangulate calls). Remember in
2010 and before, it was not very common knowledge.

* Very good at convincing using the phone. He has some charasteristic that is unusual nad make escorts comfortable.(besides money, besides drugs).
Self confident on the phone. Maybe did some trading? Something in his work gave him the practice to be convincing over the phone
(maybe trading, marketing, sales). Maybe also a con man that works using the phone.

* Fast learner. It is my conviction he used burlap in GB4 because other victims or part of victims he dumped in plastic bags floated
(fire island jane doe, "cherries", etc) Burlap does not float, it is difficult to note in the grass, even some snipers use burlap for hides, etc.

* Likes to dump near water (ocean or ponds), this is very common in sexual sadistic serial killers. It has some psychological meaning for some reason
(water washes psychologically). Jessica taylors torso was near a pond, also jamals head.

* Good mobility. with some good legitimate excuse. I doubt a blu collar worker with some prevous brush with the law might feel so self confident.
to roam around from manhattan to fire island.

* He has ZERO knowledge about anatomy or medical sciences. This is a fact by the way he tried to remove jessica taylors tattoo. He could
remove it by the connective tissue. did a horrible job and could not remove it. He is neither a doctor nor a nurse.

* It is very probable that the fbi has his DNA, i infer this by the way they stated the belt was positively "HANDLED" by LISK. Maybe they
suppose that has been handled because it was found with one of the victims. One think that comes to mind is regarding DNA, why JAMAL
murder was linked to lisk (it was at some time in the gilgonews website) jamal was shot in the head maybe they recovered dna from the bullet
and was linked to lisk. This is open to speculation.

* If they have his dna, he has not been in jail in his life. But could be traced by dna genealogy. open to speculation!!

* Hi has sexual attraction to inter racial women and/or women fo blue eyes (melyssa and her sister, peaches, inter racial)
(mbb, jessica taylor, valerie mack, megan waterman (brown eyes but used blue contacts), costello, blue eyes).

* Obsessed with tattoos (maybe he was not allowed to have them that would mean some white collar parents, religious?). He talked
for hours with megans boyfriend about tattoos

* Arrogant and maybe inmature. What would say of you that you buy a burner and use mickey mouse name ? Maybe arrogance
and lack of maturity (mickey mouse is a childish character)

* I have my doubts he is LE. One thing that comes to mind is if he left a belt (or collar) with one of the victims maybe means a lack
of knowledge in forensics. He is aware though about some legal aspects (asked melyssas familiy if they filed a missing person report)
not necessarily LE knowledge. But has some legal bureacracy knowledge for sure.

* We have to consider that maybe some of his victims are killed to hide his connection or link to other victims. Eric jamal and asian doe
comes to mind. Since he is such a detailed person regarding his victims aspect (body size, eye color, tattoos, etc), i doubt he might
be confused by a transgender person posing as a woman.

* He might be some times impulsive. i think peaches came along with her child to a date with lisk. He was so much attracted
to peaches that he accepted . i dont think he killed the toddler for pleasure. it was an impulse to kill the mother.

* Comes from a dysfunctional family and probably if he was able to build his own family is the same thing. Dysfunctional.
I dont expect any information or tip coming from his family or extended family, if he has one.

 

[wcasewatch]

He's a sexual sadist who has been hiring prostitutes since the 90s. This man has no remorse. He's a family man who has experience with the great outdoors.

Long Island resident. Picked up victims and other sex workers in NYC because it put a safe distance between his "hobby" and his home base. His interest in burner phones started because he has a significant other who is suspicious of his behavior and has possibly caught him cheating before. Burner phones were very popular among married johns during the 2000s. The time between killings also suggests that he is a family man.

Tortures his victims and taunts them. As time went on, the killings may have become more elaborate, depending on his fantasy. He's cautious and puts a great deal of thought into his crimes.

Dumped the torsos in public to stir up attention. He actively followed the news and was eager to talk about the torso murders with others. He may have even brought them up himself. Because he has a family, he has a second spot that he uses as a torture/kill site. This may be a secluded area, a second property that he has access to, an RV or a boat. It is a place where he has privacy and knows he won't be disturbed.

He is socially adept and has a good phone manner. He comes across as normal, so much so that escorts are willing to do an overnight outcall with him despite not knowing him.

The victims do not see any red flags until it's far too late.

This is the worst type of serial killer. Others have suggested that he killed Baby Doe out of necessity. However, this man is almost certainly a sadist. Therefore, it is likely that he used the child's death to inflict psychological pain on the mother.

 

[DrQ]

I love reading every one's thoughts on LISK. I've been following this case from the beginning. I even created a room for all the info I've gathered. IMHO the following are some of my thoughts:
1. Overview of victims GB4
Sex workers from age 22-27. Attractive and small framed. Missing from NY and ended up in a burlap bag on LI. Needs to be verified but early releases said they were strangled and clothes missing. I've not seen additional COD details.
2. IMHO the traits LISK may have
Knows the area, understands LE, hates to make mistakes but has made them. He deliberately risked putting the GB4 in the highway location. That way he could look at them every time he drove by. Had a reason for using the burlap.
Is cruel and sadistic but rarely shows that side except to the victims. Is capable of hiding in plain sight, blends in, probably doesn't trust or confide in any one.
May have access to more than one vehicle and varies in which he used. May have had a place to take the victims. It is unknown how long he had them before they were killed. The phone calls MIGHT be an indicator of how long a victim held but no proof. He watches, observes, and grooms his victims.
3. IMHO He is either dead, in prison, moved on, is old or disabled but he won't stop unless one of those happened.

A lot of unknowns. There could have been two killers and there are two men in prison currently for murders but not for the GB4. The other victims might be from the GB4 killer and he evolved but that is a big assumption.
Shannon Gilbert may have died as a result of what went down in the strange neighborhood. That is a whole story in itself. However, she is the catalyst for finding the GB4 and all the other victims.
I hope the killer/killer's are found. Sex workers are easy targets and often not reported missing. They are often lost individuals who have fallen on hard times for various reasons. My hope is for justice instead of judgment for each of the victims.

HAS ANY ONE ELSE SEEN THIS? I briefly saw that the FBI was talking to people in GA about the identity of the woman with the peach tattoo with the young child who was also found. I've found nothing else.

 

[Medic4881]

I love reading every one's thoughts on LISK. I've been following this case from the beginning. I even created a room for all the info I've gathered. IMHO the following are some of my thoughts:
1. Overview of victims GB4
Sex workers from age 22-27. Attractive and small framed. Missing from NY and ended up in a burlap bag on LI. Needs to be verified but early releases said they were strangled and clothes missing. I've not seen additional COD details.
2. IMHO the traits LISK may have
Knows the area, understands LE, hates to make mistakes but has made them. He deliberately risked putting the GB4 in the highway location. That way he could look at them every time he drove by. Had a reason for using the burlap.
Is cruel and sadistic but rarely shows that side except to the victims. Is capable of hiding in plain sight, blends in, probably doesn't trust or confide in any one.
May have access to more than one vehicle and varies in which he used. May have had a place to take the victims. It is unknown how long he had them before they were killed. The phone calls MIGHT be an indicator of how long a victim held but no proof. He watches, observes, and grooms his victims.
3. IMHO He is either dead, in prison, moved on, is old or disabled but he won't stop unless one of those happened.

A lot of unknowns. There could have been two killers and there are two men in prison currently for murders but not for the GB4. The other victims might be from the GB4 killer and he evolved but that is a big assumption.
Shannon Gilbert may have died as a result of what went down in the strange neighborhood. That is a whole story in itself. However, she is the catalyst for finding the GB4 and all the other victims.
I hope the killer/killer's are found. Sex workers are easy targets and often not reported missing. They are often lost individuals who have fallen on hard times for various reasons. My hope is for justice instead of judgment for each of the victims.

HAS ANY ONE ELSE SEEN THIS? I briefly saw that the FBI was talking to people in GA about the identity of the woman with the peach tattoo with the young child who was also found. I've found nothing else.

Yes they are. Check out the Facebook Lisk page or the redit page. It has the FBI posting looking for info on “Peaches” Jane Doe.

 

[Medic4881]

Yes they are. Check out the Facebook Lisk page or the redit page. It has the FBI posting looking for info on “Peaches” Jane Doe.

Yes they are. Check out the Facebook Lisk page or the redit page. It has the FBI posting looking for info on “Peaches” Jane Doe.

I often see the cause of death of the GB4 as strangulation….. not necessarily true…. The cause of death asphyxiation…. There are other ways then strangulation to cut off one’s air supply.

 

[SharD]

-White male, between his 40s and late 50s.
-An average Joe on all accounts, possibly a family man and someone who doesn't stand out among other people.
-Average intelligence.
-He is a psychopath and a sexual sadist, and likely uses his superficial charm to make his victims drop their guard.
-May have a submissive wife, who may or may not be aware of his crimes.
-Likes to have -some- notority, but not too much, because too much may lead to him getting caught.
-Has a history of bullying, animal abuse, and antisocial behaviour, and may have started with rape before moving on to murder.
-Had a distorted upbringing.
-Does not keep a stable job.
-Hates women, specifically prostitutes.
-He is a local who feels familiar with the area he operates in. His lair is within the circle of his crimes.
-Uses substances, most likely alcohol.
-Dismembers his victims out of convenience, not because of any kind of ritual. It's simply easier to transport them that way.
-Had to change his M.O because cellphones and the internet came about. Cellphones and the internet weren't a thing in 1993-1996, but were commonplace in 2007.

To me, he seems like a slightly smarter version of BTK or Gary Ridgway. There is honestly nothing mystical or intriguing about this hack.

 

[jaegerbomb]

I believe that there are 2 killers. LISK and the torso killer one. I believe they might know who the other one is but don't know each other personally. I think they dump bodies in each other territories to piss each other off. Also think LISK travels that highway frequently so he can look at his trophy case. I think LISK lives on Long Island and works in the bronx in a warehouse where he has easy access to burlap sacks and knows when he can hold a women there.

 

[Lex141]

He's a sexual sadist who has been hiring prostitutes since the 90s. This man has no remorse. He's a family man who has experience with the great outdoors.

Long Island resident. Picked up victims and other sex workers in NYC because it put a safe distance between his "hobby" and his home base. His interest in burner phones started because he has a significant other who is suspicious of his behavior and has possibly caught him cheating before. Burner phones were very popular among married johns during the 2000s. The time between killings also suggests that he is a family man.

Tortures his victims and taunts them. As time went on, the killings may have become more elaborate, depending on his fantasy. He's cautious and puts a great deal of thought into his crimes.

Dumped the torsos in public to stir up attention. He actively followed the news and was eager to talk about the torso murders with others. He may have even brought them up himself. Because he has a family, he has a second spot that he uses as a torture/kill site. This may be a secluded area, a second property that he has access to, an RV or a boat. It is a place where he has privacy and knows he won't be disturbed.

He is socially adept and has a good phone manner. He comes across as normal, so much so that escorts are willing to do an overnight outcall with him despite not knowing him.

The victims do not see any red flags until it's far too late.

This is the worst type of serial killer. Others have suggested that he killed Baby Doe out of necessity. However, this man is almost certainly a sadist. Therefore, it is likely that he used the child's death to inflict psychological pain on the mother.

You were spot on