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  1. Seaslug44

    Seaslug44 New Member

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    Just scratching the surface of this case and everything about it SCREAMS to me that the killer is a truck driver from out of town. I know this makes the case so much more difficult to solve.

    Following that theory, I could not help to notice very near Jennings is the Exit 80 Travel Plaza in Crowley. It's a truck stop heaven with a convenience store, restaurant, trucker's supply shop and get this- a VIDEO POKER CASINO. I emphasize the casino aspect because we all know that where there is gambling, there surely are lots and lots of surveillance cameras.

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    At first I thought that there was a 90% likely hood that the sk was a patron here even if it turns out that he is not a trucker from another state. I thought about this because I was thinking how it is very unlikely that he could have resisted the lure of video poker (especially in what appears to be a place where there isn't much excitement or things to do). But then I did a quick search of casinos near Jennings and I could not believe what I found. It turns out that there are actually TEN different places to gamble near Jennings (one is nicer than the other too). As you can see in this map, the majority of them are located along the route 10 corridor.

    So now I give it a 99% chance that our SK has been caught on camera gambling at one of these places.

    [ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=casinos+near+jennings+la&hl=en&ll=30.289903,-92.106628&spn=1.235589,2.705383&fb=1&gl=us&hq=casinos&hnear=Jennings,+Jefferson+Davis,+Louisiana&t=m&fll=30.408413,-92.914124&fspn=1.234094,3.751831&z=9"]Link to Map of Casinos Near Jennings[/ame]
     
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  3. Justiceforever

    Justiceforever New Member

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    I can so see how you think this. Given the route and some of the victims being (seemingly) dropped from bridges. I can see it being a truck driver. I can also see it being a pilot or just a local drug dealer/s. IF it is a truck driver...He MUST Know the area. After all the victims were all aquainted. Can that REALLY be just coincidence?
     
  4. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I don't believe that all 8 murders were commited by the same person. I do, however, believe that all the murders are connected, and that all the murderers are connected, both to each other and the victims.

    At least, that's where I stand right now.
     
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  5. ktgirl

    ktgirl Verified College Instructor

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    I agree about them being connected and think that some of the other unsolved murders in Jennings may be related (murders of men).

    I think that while the murders may have been committed by more than one person, there's a common person who was involved in all of the murders either 1) as physically murdering all of the women; 2) murdering some of the women himself & ordering others to murder some of them; or 3) ordering ordering all the women's murders but not physically murdering any of them himself.

    I also think that there are a lot of people who were accessories or accessories after the fact. Some of them may have ended up dead as well. Somehow the others have managed to stay alive.
     
  6. CriminalMinds

    CriminalMinds New Member

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    theory one:
    TG running a sex/drug ring(and in very deep by the time of the murders, unable/unwilling to get out), perhaps making use of one or two local gang guys to help with the drugs coming into town (probably from TX), and having 1 or 2 leo's running cover/protection,using girls recruited by FR and some of the girls(like TC) working under him--some of the vics were going to testify in exchange for a reduction in pending charges, or help in case of future trouble, and they were "listed" as having to be taken care of--the others may have found/figured it out, had to be taken care of as well....?????
    other theories pending--stay tuned...lol
     
  7. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Theory 2: reverse the players in theory 1. ;)
     
  8. Hexe

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    I think the perp knows the area very well, maybe he grew up there, but in the time of the murders he was not living there. He had some kind of a seasonal job that brought him to Jennings only during the spring and summer. The remaining part of the year he was spending somewhere else, maybe even murdering women in that other area too. His job might be connected to the airports in some way.

    It might start with a retaliation murder, but then the perp evolved into a sex killer . He dumped the bodies of his victims where they could be easily found, not trying to obliterate their identity. For me that means he either was not tied to them in any obvious way, or he felt protected, maybe by a relative working in local LE.
     
  9. 21merc7

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  10. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Since I don't HAVE a theory, I thought I might use this thread as a place to develop one. Bear with me.

    1. Stranger theory: I can't see this at all, unless these girls did work as prostitutes and had a common pimp. Not a farfetched theory, considering FR owned/ran strip clubs in the past which were allegedly fronts for prostitution. And he knew all the victims. And, if you listen to the interview of Tracee Chaisson in the documentary, she seems to catch herself after she comments that FR has protected her in previous situations. One has to ask...which situations? So let's assume for a moment that all of these women were prostitutes who worked for the same man. Do they go out and get work on their own, or does their "employer" find clients for them? Seems a bit too "upscale" given everyone's social environment, but who knows? If this were the case, though, it seems more likely that all of these women, who ran in the same circles, knew one another well, and were even related in some cases, could happen across a complete stranger who ended up murdering them all. But...I think it unlikely. Especially given the time gap between some of the victims.

    2. One Common Acquaintance Theory: More likely than the stranger theory, imo. However, there are distinct differences in method of murder and method of dumping in several of the cases. Some were similar, others weren't. Why slit the throats of 2 victims, but not the others? Why douse 1 victim in bleach, but not the others? Why dump some in water, and others on roads? Why dump some bodies so far away from the hub of activity for all these girls, but dump others right in the center of the hub? Seems likely to me that the explanation for those differences is that these murders weren't all committed by one single person.

    3. Organization Theory: Let's assume for a minute that all these girls worked for a common, illegal "organization"...drug ring, prostitution ring, what have you. Is it possible they were killed by different people within the organization for different reasons? I think so. One might have failed to come up with cash for producted fronted, one might have had am upcoming court date and knew too much, one might have been an informant, etc. etc. Interesting to note that Muggy Brown was known to go on "ride alongs" with someone in local law enforcement, and she ends up murdered and dumped at the police shooting range. Also interesting to note that Necole Guillory is a cousin to jail warden, Terry Guillory (and according to locals, lived with Terry for a time). I haven't been able to verify that Brittney Gary is related to detective Warren Gary, but if she was, I think this would lend even more credence to the organization theory.

    This is my line of thinking at the moment. No set theory, just pondering.
     
  11. Justiceforever

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    I am lean towards #3 Kate.
     
  12. ktgirl

    ktgirl Verified College Instructor

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    I lean towards #3 also, with #2 coming in a distant second & the possibility of #1 being even more remote.
     
  13. ktgirl

    ktgirl Verified College Instructor

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    I also would like to add: sometimes I think the connections as far as the women being killed because they knew who the murderer(s) is/are may be overstated (such as X was there when or knew that Y murdered Z, so X had to go).

    Some of them I think were probably like that, but some of them I think could be as simple as owinh a substantial, outstanding drug debt instead of knowing info on the someone(s) responsible for any of the other killings. There seem to be a lot of cooks in the kitchen when it comes to the murders/clean-up/disposals/etc and yet a lot of the notable "Sou chefs," if you will (women who allegedly witnessed the murders, some of whom may have been arrested or questioned in the murders but then released), have managed to not be killed themelves.

    I am thinking there are two people or groups of killers in at least victims 1-5. One person/group is responsible for Ernestine & Muggy's deaths. Another person/group responsible in the deaths of Whitnei, Loretta, & Kristin.

    I'm not exactly sure about Brittney & Necole. I think some of the people responsible for her death are connected to Whitnei, Loretta, & Kristin's deaths may be the perps.

    But then again IF as someone speculated on another forum, all of the victims did have bleach doused on them (and that's the killer's signature & how LE can say similar area/timeframe murders of women aren't connected), there seems to be either one person behind this all, either doing it himself/herself, with others, or just giving orders. Or one person called in every time to be the clean up person (and maybe also sometimes a disposal person?) in all instances. (although I don't understand why anyone would call other people to clean up a murder they committed, since then there would be more potential witnesses to testify against you)
     
  14. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I'm not prepared to buy the theory that all victims were doused in bleach. But that's just me.

    So far, I think I'm leaning toward the #3 theory, myself. I tend to agree with ktgirl on this: Loretta, Whitnei and Kristen have a common killer. I suspect Muggy and Ernestine also have a common killer. and Necole and Brittney do as well.

    If what I suspect is correct, then we're looking at at least 3 different murderers in all 8 cases. And since all of these victims lived a similar lifestyle, and all were connected to the same people (and illegal activities), that makes me think the organization theory is likely the right theory.

    JMO
     
  15. 21merc7

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    I completely agree with organization, but I'll add disorganized to an extent that too many cronies eventually lead to leaks. Especially if they are long time users.
     
  16. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Having coffee this morning, and re-reading some threads. Can't help but think that there's something about Ernestine that we're all missing. There isn't alot of background info on her, but from what I have read from those who knew her, she lived a fairly "upright" life until shortly before her murder. Assuming that's true, I wonder which came first...her descent into the life, or her employment at Wendy's under Teresa Gary.
     
  17. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    You may have a very good point, the missing one!

    I never thought of it like that. I just thought the family is more private. Got to stop thinking what my family would do if or what. My family would do nothing and say nothing.

    Hmmm. You are quite the detective. ;)
     
  18. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I can figure out what happened to these girls in terms of "life choices". That much is clear. The south side is it's own little world...and these girls were indoctrinated into this world at an early age. High risk lifestyle? No doubt. But high risk for things like drug addiction, overdose, prostitution, homelessness, robbery, beatings, jail time, etc. Murder is a much less common thing. Not that it doesn't happen in high risk life styles, it certainly does, but it's a far less common occurance than the other things I listed. And here we have 8 women from a very small town, who all had strong connections to one another, and who all end up murdered and dumped in similar ways. If murder is such a common occurance for high risk women in Jennings, where are the murders of other women who can't be linked to these 8? Why don't we see a rash of reports of women shot to death in their homes? Or beat to death leaving bars?

    These 8 women must have had more in common than their high risk lifestyles, and the fact that they all knew one another. So what common denominators, other than that, can we find? Let's see...

    1. Frankie Richard. They all knew him, and by his own admission, he slept with most of these women. He claims he didn't sleep with Brittney because she was just a child...I don't believe that for a second.But anyway, we know that FR, at one time, ran or owned strip clubs in Lake Arthur that served as fronts for prostitution, so in my mind, it's no great stretch to think he was running a prostitution ring in Jennings. Does that add up to murder? No. Unless there's more to the story.

    2. Teresa Gary. She knew all of the victims. Not much of a reason for murder, is it? I do think she brought many of these women into prostitution (jmo), and probably encouraged their drug use, but apart from that, I can't see TG being connected to the murders of these women.

    3. The Andrews St. House. All of the victims, as well as Teresa Gary and Frankie Richard, frequented this house. On the face of it, one might think "Well, so what? It was a known drug house (allegedly) and they were all know drug addicts (allegedly)." But there's alot more to this house than just that. All the local chatter about this house (and believe me, there's ALOT of chatter!) is that the activities in that house went on in front of everyone, blatantly...everyone knew. And yet, we never really see LE swooping in there and cleaning house, do we? But we do have reports from locals (take them as truth or rumor) that members of LE were at that house all the time. Sometimes in uniform, sometimes not. Sometimes late at night. Maybe they were doing "undercover" work. Who knows? (ahem) But anyway, setting all the local chatter aside for a moment, we do have some known facts here that we can use to draw our own conculsions: this house was a haven for drug activity, it was well known by everyone, and it went on for a long time without being stopped by LE. Conclude away.

    4. LE. Do alittle digging, and I'll bet you guys will be surprised how many of these girls can be connected to members of law enforcement. I won't put it all out on forum, but it's there for all to see. Apart from the obvious connections, though, let's consider some not so obvious connections for a moment. Muggy Brown, for example, is said by many to have done "ride alongs" with MJ. Her body is later discovered near a police firing range by none other than MJ. Crystal Zeno was last seen at Phillips 66 placing a call to LE. According to Kirk Menard, Kristin was last seen at the corner of W Academy Ave and Clara street where she placed a call to LE.
    And then we have this mindboggling post from Baffled:

    hi everyone i have something to add about necole last year when they picked up my daughter an quetioned her about brittanys murder...
    http://murderinjdp.49.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=100

    And then, of course, we have Paula Guillory (who "loses" evidence against FR), Det. Warren Gary who buys a truck suspected in being connected to the murder of Kristin Lopez, jail warden Terrie Guillory (Paula's ex, and Necole's first cousin) who accompanies Warren Gary and Connie Silar to the bank to complete the money transaction for the sale of the truck, etc. etc. (I could go on and on.)

    But,I'll stop here. Because....well, just because.
     
  19. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    One more quick thing...any chance Loretta Chaisson was related to Welsh police chief Tommy Chaisson? Anyone know?
     
  20. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    MK;

    Post 17 asks me for login when I go to the link (your number 4). Does it require registration? I haven't registered to other boards, although it might be good to do so. (Should we trust what Kirk Menard says being that it is a huge conflict of interest?)

    All of your questions for my negative thinking self, result in who is the common denominator in all of this. I'm sure locals know, but can we trace it back to one or two?

    Don't know if L. Chaisson is related to chief Tommy, but am willing to bet so. (Another small town awful thing I do not want to say out loud. Think of Atilla.)

    Good thing is, once all of this got some attention, so far it seems it has stopped. Or has it? Has everything else connected just been said not to be. There is one big bad man, or group, in Jennings. More national attention would help.
     
  21. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    1. Yes, you do have to register to read and post on that site. Like the JDPkiller site, it's run by G8tergirl, and is really just a forum extension of the JDPkiller site

    2. I think Kirk's information is pretty reliable. I certainly don't think he throws information out there unless he's checked it out thoroughly.

    3. I also think certain locals who post on that site have ALOT of valuable information to offer. Others, imo, are either full of spit or attention seekers. My approach was to simply read for awhile, get a feel for regular posters, and then check into some of what they had to say to see if they were spot on or not. Some of the posters I've found to be the most reliable in terms of accurate information are G8tergirl, Kirk Menard, Alou, ea, Mysterious, Baffled, Popeye, Silencedogood, Shiela's Daughter, Brittney's sister, and a few others I can't recall off the top of my head right now.
     

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