Press conference regarding previously undisclosed evidence scheduled for a January 16th at 1 p.m.

Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by Blueeyedbrowngirl, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I agree--Pisces/Scorpio was the first thing I thought of. But the Scorpio isn't really that close to the second symbol and on a few minutes research I couldn't find anything closer.
     
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  2. Fabra

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    Yeah, I was struggling with that one, too.
    Would help if they released full pic of belt. I question why they didn't (or didn't even want to talk about it, really, in presser). Makes me wonder if there were other initials or symbols, which would then lead us down the path of possible cult, "notches" for each kill, maybe--would open up the possibilities immensely.
     
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  3. Hansen

    Hansen Well-Known Member

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    If that’s an occult symbol shouldn’t LE have denoted that when they released that evidence? If it is there’s no reason for them to withhold that in my opinion. I certainly hope they solve this case but in my opinion the window has closed on this case.
     
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  4. Hansen

    Hansen Well-Known Member

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    If that’s an occult symbol shouldn’t LE have denoted that when they released that evidence? If it is there’s no reason for them to withhold that in my opinion. I certainly hope they solve this case but in my opinion the window has closed on this case.
     
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  5. swedeheart

    swedeheart Well-Known Member

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    Feb 15, 2020

    A woman whose torso was found on a beach in Westchester 13 years ago and legs washed up on the North Shore of Long Island could be tied to the Gilgo Beach murders.

    Suggesting the possible connection in interviews with local media in Westchester were Village of Mamaroneck Police investigators reportedly renewing their efforts to identify the victim known as Cherries Doe, due to her most identifiable feature: A tattoo of a pair of cherries.

    Westchester Victim May Be Tied To Gilgo Beach Murders, Police Say
     
  6. anya

    anya Well-Known Member

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    I’m probably totally wrong and out there with this theory, but to me the HM/WH reminds me of Runes, especially the M/W (which are the same but can be flipped to represent reversed/different meaning - in this case to block movement). Unfortunately, the ‘H’ looks more like the symbol for Pisces (water sign) than the Runic symbol (where the middle bar slants diagonally rather than horizontally).
    In The Book of Runes by Ralph H Blum, here’s what it says about ‘M’ (and the reversed form ‘W’). Kinda chilling, imho. Like I said, loooooong shot but worth noting I think.

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  7. PingTheRouter

    PingTheRouter Ghetto Superstar

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    i find it interesting why they jumped now to release this information

    i saw someone mention its because of lost girls coming out next month but that kinda seems circumstantial at best

    i guess we should be happy with any update after so many years, i still trawl for clues and different topics every month or so for LISK or just look at maps and try and find patterns or things that might match to something else

    can't say iv been very successful but i would love to see some ice start chipping away on this case its been so long and so many victims it seems insane we have so little information to go on
     
  8. Blueeyedbrowngirl

    Blueeyedbrowngirl Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for sharing this! I didn’t realize that Cherries’ remains were spread out over three counties; I thought it was two (which is bad enough). I’m glad they described some of her clothing. I don’t recall reading about it elsewhere so hopefully LE will release more evidence sooner rather than later (as in let’s not wait another ten years).

    As for the article’s reference to Peaches, I believe she met the same killer but I think she and her daughter were victims of circumstance. I explained this in another thread so I’ll try to be brief this time.

    Peaches allegedly told a CT tattooer that she was visiting his shop from NY. She and her daughter were murdered in 1996 (or 1997; I forget) before the advent of the internet but back when men solicited street girls or used escort agencies. I believe LISK avoided agencies because they kept records and charged higher fees.

    In A&E’s The Killing Season, Jessica Taylor’s boyfriend/pimp said she disappeared from Queens Plaza in 2003. After Maureen Brainard-Barnes disappeared in 2007, an anonymous caller told MBB’s friend that MBB was working in a “whorehouse in Queens.” I think Peaches could have had a Queens connection too.

    Peaches is described as African American and in the photos of her tattoo, she appears to have had a light complexion. Perhaps she is from one of the culturally and racially diverse neighborhoods that comprise Queens, and maybe she used the subway and bus hubs at Queens Plaza, Sutphin and Archer, or anywhere along Roosevelt Avenue.

    If LISK was picking up street girls, maybe he saw Peaches at a bus hub, asked if she was working, and she replied that she and her daughter were stranded, running late, missed a bus or train, whatever. Perhaps LISK was kind, charming, and offered a ride and Peaches accepted.
     
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  9. Blueeyedbrowngirl

    Blueeyedbrowngirl Well-Known Member

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    This just occurred to me so tell me what you think:

    Law enforcement officials believe LISK handled the belt, right? As I suggested upthread, perhaps the prints on the belt don’t match any in a national crime database so the photo was released with the hopes of triggering recognition, identifying its owner, and obtaining prints.

    Now, lots of jobs require fingerprints; law enforcement and military included. Surely sometime during the past 10 years the prints on the belt were compared to those of LE officers and officials employed with the city, county, state, and federal law enforcement agencies involved in the case; right? Accordingly, if no match was found, does this mean LISK is not a cop; or at least not one from the immediate area?
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    If they were indeed able to get prints--not guaranteed--then yes, it would imply the person has never been military, LE, government employee, etc. etc. And also never arrested for anything serious enough to trigger fingerprinting.
     
  11. Blueeyedbrowngirl

    Blueeyedbrowngirl Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn’t say it completely puts to rest the question of LISK being a cop but it certainly shines the light elsewhere.
     
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  12. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    It certainly seems to point in another direction.

    But I wouldn't want to guarantee they were able to get prints. If the other side is polished leather, maybe, but the side we can see is rather rough and wouldn't take prints well.
     
  13. Blueeyedbrowngirl

    Blueeyedbrowngirl Well-Known Member

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    True. It could be touch DNA.
     
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  14. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, Firimar !

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    Can someone link me to a msm article that says LE recovered DNA from this belt ? I don't recall reading that anywhere. To the best of my knowledge, LE only said that they believe it was "handled" by the killer.

    If it was the belt used as the ligature to kill one of these victims (which I believe it was, based on my knowledge that a ligature of some type was found on one of the victims), then of course LE believes it was handled by the killer. I mean...who else would have put it there ?

    As for DNA being retrieved from this belt...I would find it very surprising if that were the case.

    JMO
     
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    SecretAgentMan Active Member

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    No findings of DNA has been announced by detectives......

    If the belt was found around one of the GB4, assuming the neck, & if it was one of the last two GB4 victims, there may be DNA on the belt if the perp wasn't wearing gloves, & the belt was in his possession beforehand

    If the belt wasn't his & he wore gloves, there may not be DNA.......it depends. My thought is why would he leave the belt on the victim?

    He's been careful not to get caught with the cell phone calls, dumping of the bodies, etc.......but he leaves the belt behind on one of the victims like he doesn't care if the murder weapon is found.

    If the belt was on one of the last victims several months before they were discovered, there may be DNA on the belt if he wasn't wearing gloves & those several months may not be enough time to disintegrate the DNA.

    But if the belt was on one of the girls that went missing several years, then there may not be any DNA.

    If there is DNA, the genealogy testing will catch this guy......but it remains to be seen.
     
  16. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, Firimar !

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    I'm with ya...LISK just leaves his own belt around one of the victim's necks by mistake ? I seriously doubt that. I did go through several missing persons cases looking for anyone that might have the intials WH or HM (I think it's HM based on what I believe to be the font used). Nothing came up...but of course, we know that many missing persons go unreported. Hell, Amber was never reported missing.

    I dunno...my gut just tells me that LISK wanted this belt found. At the very least, he didn't care if it was found.

    JMO
     
  17. Blueeyedbrowngirl

    Blueeyedbrowngirl Well-Known Member

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    My guess is there are fingerprints on the belt though whose prints, who knows?

    As for why it was left behind, again - who knows - but even the best make mistakes. Maybe in this particular instance, the killer was almost caught in the act and rushed to dispose of the victim, therefore eschewing his normal, methodical routine.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if that was left behind on purpose.
     
  19. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Looking at the letters on the belt, I wonder if the 'H' could actually be a 'K'. When I look at it at as HM it looks like it could have been a 'K' before it became so deteriorated.
     
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    LR1 Well-Known Member

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    Asphyxiation was the term used from those in the know. No better way to draw that conclusion than having ligature/s left behind.
     
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