Puerto Rico - San Juan, WhtFem UP6691, 45-60, probable tourist, Aug'09

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  1. Fin

    Fin New Member

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    Warning, there is a post mortem pic at this link:

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6691

    OCEAN PARK BEACH
    Address 2 "ULTIMO TROLLEY"
    City SAN JUAN (CONDADO)
    State Puerto Rico

    151 lbs
    70 inches
    white female
    Drown at this location. Appears to be a tourist.

    (sorry about the prefix title (active search)...no category fits, but the system requires one to be chosen) and aparently I cannot edit this title.
     
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  4. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    She looks very close.

    Two minor differences are that she doesn't have a widow's peak hairline and the "labiomental fold" (i.e., the horizontal crease between the chin and lower lip) is right below her lower lip. On the UID, there is a margin between the her lower lip and her labiomental fold.

    The UID also has a more Hispanic overall appearance, IMO.
     
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    Cubby fly the W!

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    When there is no appropriate prefix, please use "new" and then send a pm to the mods requesting the appropriate prefix be set up. I'm surprised we don't have one set up already for Puerto Rico. If you see this, you can go to edit, then click advanced edit options. When you go into the advanced edit options you can update the thread prefix. Otherwise send a pm to a mod and request they do it.

    Very interesting possible match. I'd almost say the height difference, DLC and circumstances don't fit. It's hard to explain the 8 yr difference in the time Tammie was last seen with the date the UID was found. I see a widows peak on the UID, I don't see on Tammie, but it may be the way Tammie's hair is styled it hides the widows peak.

    I looked at both pictures for a long time. I don't know if it is the shadows from the pictures, but both noses seem to match almost perfectly, imo. I suppose it is possible Tammie left of her own accord later visiting Puerto Rico and died as a result of accidental drowning.

    I think this is worth looking into further. Maybe inquiring if Tammie had a widow's peek and the circumstances of her disappearance. I'll see if I can find a Charley Project page for her. That might give more info.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    A closer look at Tammie's picture, I don't think she is the UID. The widow's peak is completely missing.

    Good point about the "labiomental fold" Carl. Out of curiousity. Can that appear later in life as one gains weight or their face begins to age?
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    We all have one. They will get more pronounced with age, but they don't shift with respect to the lip and chin.
     
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    Thank you Carl. I've never paid much attention to that feature, but it is good to know.
     
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    There are 3 rule outs on Namus:

    Patricia Bryant 1951 Florida
    Tina D'Ambrosio 1961 Arizona
    Bonnie Kelly 1962 Illinois


    It is interesting to note that a dna sample is apparently available but has not yet been submitted. No doubt a critical piece of the investigative process. What would the reason be to hold on to a sample and not submit it after 3.5 years? Seems like a no brainer to me.
     
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    Poor woman. She looks so worried.
     
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    I noticed that the description includes

    tattoos: green parrot
    anchor in the left inferior area of the back


    The way it's described I'm not sure whether it's one tattoo or two.
     
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    No new ruleouts. DNA is still listed as not submitted. It's possible they're holding onto it until there's a possible match requested -- Canada generally does it that way--or perhaps they just forgot to update the file.
     
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    Could she have worked for a cruise line docking there?
     

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