Purpose Of This Emerald Triangle Sub-forum?

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  1. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Thank you!

    So every time I want to use a smiley I have to wade through 12 pages?! upload_2018-6-7_23-12-26.gif Can I put the ones I like in one place?
     


  2. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Thank YOU Tricia!
     
  3. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Yeah it's a pain. And it's a 3rd party site so they may disappear from you posts in the future if the website owner decides to take down the site. I'm still hoping some more will be added on this new software. ;)
     
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  4. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Thank you, Tricia. I understand. Lilibet has explained a lot and worked out a pretty good plan, IMO. A description of the subforum would be really helpful. No hurry, no worries. :)
     
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  5. burblestein

    burblestein Well-Known Member

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    I have submitted a draft of Welcome to the Emerald Triangle to Tricia, in which I try to explain local conditions. I believe it could not only serve as an intro to the area and its criminal conditions, but also as a place where questions about the ET could discussed and answered.
     
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  6. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    This article about the extremely high rate of suicide and drug overdose in Humboldt County doesn’t have a direct bearing on those missing and murdered, but it illustrates how off the charts Humboldt is in so many ways.

    From the article:

    Largusa points out there are big differences by zip code around the county in the death rates. Eureka’s 95501 zip code, Hoopa and Myers Flat all have a drug-related death rate of over 65 per hundred thousand, where Arcata, McKinleyville, and Fortuna are below 40 per hundred thousand.

    Humboldt’s ‘Deaths of Despair’ Are Three Times California’s

    My former home was outside of Myers Flat, mentioned for its high drug death toll. :( Not to mention being the former home of probable serial killer John Annibel. We left (escaped) 34 years ago, but still have dear friends in the area.

    IMO, the factors Largusa mentions below help explain the proliferation of Humboldt cases we deal with here on the ET forum, and why having this forum is so important. Sadly, it makes me think of Bob Dylan’s song “Everything is Broken.”
    Everything Is Broken | The Official Bob Dylan Site

    Largusa spoke about the impacts of “cumulative disadvantages.” For example, in addition to lower income and fewer educational opportunities in the rural county, pregnant women in Humboldt County are four times more likely than the state average to have a substance abuse issue. And 50% more women in Humboldt County experience domestic violence.

    Furthermore, one in three adults in Humboldt County had four or more “adverse childhood experiences” which correlates statistically to adults with higher rates of injury, suicide drug addiction, but also to higher rates of chronic disease such as diabetes and heart disease. Examples of Adverse Childhood Experiences include the death or incarceration of a parent, homelessness, witnessing or being a victim of violence.
     
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  7. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Gardener1850. You bring up excellent points. I'll be getting with burblestein in the next few days to discuss a set of parameters in regards to what cases can be brought over to this forum and such. Also, we will work on a more detailed description of the purpose of the Emerald Triangle.
    Thank you all very much for your patience.
    Tricia
     
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  8. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Well there you go. Thank you burblestein. I'll be in touch over the weekend. Thank you
     
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  9. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Tricia. Actually we’ve moved beyond the idea of which cases to bring over here. Folie brought up something very important we hadn’t thought about, starting in post #27, that has made us realize that the threads themselves need to go back to their original places for search purposes. It was a great discussion, and involves simply having links to the threads here, but not the actual thread. If you go back and read, I think it will be clear. This will help those looking for UIDs. Burblestein and I are not involved in those cases, so what folie is saying would never occur to us. Maybe chat with her too after reading here.

    The ET Forum still serves a valuable purpose, but only having links will make the rest of WS work better and be much simpler to manage this forum without needing a mod to move stray threads over here. Hope this makes a little sense!
    Thanks again!
     
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  10. Darling136

    Darling136 Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    i just discovered this thread (ooops), but since days i was annoying my fellow mods what is happening and stating quite the same concerns i read here!
    I very much appreciate the idea to leave the threads in actual WS portion and work with links etc. I will be very happy to support the set up and realization!
    PS and learn more about this area
     
  11. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Thanks so much! Glad to have you aboard.
     
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  12. burblestein

    burblestein Well-Known Member

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    Welcome aboard, darling136. Help is always welcome.
     
  13. burblestein

    burblestein Well-Known Member

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    I should have realized I owed an explanation of my criteria for selecting cases for this new forum. For clarity's sake, I am listing them below so we are all on the same page. Note that they may change in the near future.

    They had to be cold cases occurring in Humboldt, Mendocino, or Trinity Counties in California.

    They had to seem capable of resolution. That's why I didn't recommend inclusion of threads where folks had been washed away, lost at sea, etc. I did NOT recommend against having threads for those missing cases--only that they not be included in the ET forum.

    I linked the old threads in Missing but Not Forgotten to the threads moved into the ET Forum to redirect searchers. Same with Cold Case Murders. (But did not realize about UIDs. Or allow for Search function glitches in the new software.)

    My objective was to found an investigative forum, with an eye towards uncovering serial killers. John Annibel made me realize that Humboldt and Mendocino Counties shared at least one serial killer; given the realities of our geography, there were probably more. Also, some cases, like Chris Giauque, might have occurred on one side or another of a county line.

    I planned an introductory thread to the top of the Forum, to orient WSers to the realities of the Emerald Triangle. I would not mind it being an open thread for queries about local conditions there. To anyone only acquainted with the East Coast, the geography of the Triangle can make it seem a foreign country. (Certainly it did to me when I moved out here.)

    I defer to the more experienced hands in here as to modifications to improve this forum. Indeed, I am chuffed that you care. As noted above, I will roll with your decisions.
     
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  14. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hi Everyone,

    From now on when a case is moved to this forum there will always be a permanent redirect in the original forum where the case came from.

    This confusion is completely my fault and I take full responsibility for any of the problems. With the move to the new software, I did not stop to look and make sure I had thought of everything.

    In the coming days, we will be addressing your other concerns.

    Thank you for your patience.
    Tricia
     
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  15. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Tricia. There was a LOT to think about! No worries.

    I’m still not sure if the permanent re-direct solves the search problem discussed extensively earlier on the thread. Starting here and continuing:
    Purpose Of This Emerald Triangle Sub-forum?

    It’s not my area of expertise, since I don’t work on UID cases, but folie made the point that cases can’t be searched by different terms in the body of a thread if the thread itself is moved. If people are looking for cases during certain time frames and they’ve been moved here, even with a redirect, that apparently means they have to come over here to search...double work. Can the redirects be put on this forum instead, so the original threads go back where they were? I just want to be sure this important issue isn’t overlooked, and I’m not familiar enough with terminology to know if what you said is addressing that problem.

    Thanks so much!
     
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  16. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola 70's-80's Jane Doe's

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    Sorry did not mean to rock the boat :(
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    I think Lilibet meant that in a good way. Personally, I'm glad you chimed in folie! If you rocked the boat, then I must have come close to capsizing it ;)
     
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  18. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, poor choice of words. But I meant it in a good way. :) This forum needed your input. I’ve linked your posts in replies to Tricia a couple of times, so that the changes can be done right and benefit everyone.

    Yes, I did mean it in a good way! I hope no changes are made until what folie brought up is understood by those making the changes. I keep banging that drum loudly. And I will say it again:

    The original threads need to go back to their original places in the Missing Persons or Crime forums so they can be searched thoroughly for words within posts, not just in the thread title. Keep just a link to those threads in this forum. Otherwise UID’s may end up not being identified.

    Am I saying that right, folie? :)
     
  19. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola 70's-80's Jane Doe's

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    Lol.... like the Titanic ... Love ya Gardener

    Lilibet has been great no worries
     
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  20. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola 70's-80's Jane Doe's

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    Oh Lawrdy Lilibet ... I took no offense at all you have been great no apologizes needed and I hope you are doing well.
     
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