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Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Bev, Sep 7, 2006.

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  1. DeDee

    DeDee Well-Known Member

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    Tad and All,

    As a friend of the owner of ACRs site, it has been battling mega bandwidths usage since BDI spurred sleuths to her site. There is a paypal option that would be highly meaningful in assisting the maintenance of her site. It cannot be stressed enough how vital it is to maintain the archives. You know, people grow older and expenses, generally increase with age, while income does not rise.

    Cotton, that photo of JBs bedroom and bathroom is a new one for me. Will need my spyglass for inspecting that image. Merci.
     
  2. DeDee

    DeDee Well-Known Member

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    Bringing forward a few iconic members whose brilliance placed a shining star on their efforts that were dedicated to solving the mystery of JonBenet's death. May your wisdom always be tenderly remembered.


     
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    DeDee Well-Known Member

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    This is the photo of JBs bedroom and bathroom I had not seen before. Thanks again for posting it.
     
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    Userid Well-Known Member

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    ^ That's of the hallway area just outside her room, not the bathroom; just FYI. That's the ironing board near the laundry area.
     
  5. s(he) be(lie)ve(d)

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    DeDee,

    Thank you so much for this post. Its well thought out, highly plausible theories like these that make me take a step back and look at things again. They definitely challenge differing theories.
     
  6. Cottonstar

    Cottonstar Well-Known Member

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  7. s(he) be(lie)ve(d)

    s(he) be(lie)ve(d) Member

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    The housekeeper was over paid.
     
  8. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    The housekeeper hadn't been in for several days was my understanding... Not sure why the judgement.
     
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    s(he) be(lie)ve(d) Member

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    For crying out loud it was just a joke.
     
  10. Cottonstar

    Cottonstar Well-Known Member

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    She was there last on, December 23.


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    Even Nedra Paugh made comments about the mess the R's made.
     
  12. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    So the Ramsey family was particularly messy, apparently, and we've heard and discussed that the housekeeper had a hard time with having to clean up clutter before she could actually clean, and this was Christmas. So yeah the house was likely to be a bit messy. I guess my sense of humor just didn't get the joke there, especially since there has been prior discussion of how underpaid she really was in light of the expectations. Ugh. Whatever.
     
  13. JillRN

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    Flourish, I got your joke right away and thought it was quite clever. I even LOL'd...for what it's worth.
     
  14. JillRN

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    So, this is my first time posting an observation, I am kinda new to this site, in that I have not had a great deal of time to read every single detail about the case, document notes, etc. I hope I am not being a "troll", but up to this point, I have been reading, learning, and absorbing. I am impressed with the keen eyes of posters here, the knowledge so many hold, and the true genuineness of members just wanting justice for many cases, especially this one.

    With that said, I hope what I am posting is within the rules. I have read over the rules, but not studied them, (working full-time, kids, life, etc...). If what I post is not following rules, anyone feel free to remove it.

    My observation is one that I have just noticed. I am sure someone has addressed this before, or I would imagine someone has, because the caliber of members on this website far beyond my abilities. If this has already been discussed, please forgive me and ignore me for not being caught up. I have just been interested in this case for a few years and my late husband was a Criminal Investigator, so unsolved cases have always interested me. On with my observation....

    I have been listening to the depositions of JR and PR by Darnay Hoffman in the Chris Wolfe civil case on youtube. In JR's deposition, he was asked about the RN and also about the practice note ( I apologize I do not have the exact point on the video, I tried to listen for it this morning while getting ready for work, but it must have came on while my hairdryer was on because I have not yet found it). Anyway, during the deposition Darnay refers to the RN and asks JR if he notices any thing odd or remarkable about the note (not sure of the exact question). JR replies first by saying the length of the note stood out to him, then he went on to say that also how he was addresses formally in the opening of the note, then more informal as the note progresses. He states "the beginning of the ransom note addresses us as Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, then later calls me John". I think at this point Darnay corrects him by saying "the ransom note says Mr. Ramsey, not Mr. and Mrs.", at which point John brushes it off as "oh yeah, that's what I meant, I just knew it was formal in the beginning".
    At the same time I am listening to this, I am also reading Kolar's book and in it he states that the practice note found on PR's notepad said "Mr. and Mrs. I" which to him looked like the beginning of an "R". So, this is my thing, had both PR and JR discussed whether to address the RN to both of them, then decided to go with just JR and during the deposition, JR kinda told on himself?

    Again, I apologize if my observation is nothing, or has already been discussed. I have read quite a bit in order to educate myself, but admittedly have not read everything. I also agree with previous posters about JR being a manipulative person. I think they both are, JR just seems like a highly intelligent man who has had the opportunity to advance his skills of manipulation with his continued work in business, whereas PR may have been a bit rusty on her stage performance because she stated she spent her days doing things around the house (besides cleaning), shopping, etc.

    Thanks for letting me post, this is JMHIO.
     
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    JillRN,
    Hey there and welcome. There is always something folks have missed. Sure does look like JR misspoke as they say? He does this at various points in the case, e.g. chair in front of door, on TV his tongue snakes out,

    Patsy was pretty clever , she was no dummy, housework, what housework, they had a maid! Patsy had stars in her eyes she wanted JonBenet on TV, in pageants etc, she saw the future for JonBenet, she actually said JonBenet was her current project, thats elitist code for I'll do what it takes


    The real question is : is the case PDI with the parents staging the wine-cellar to give Patsy a Get Out Of Jail Card? If so then BR and JR patently know who did it, otherwise they both know one of them killed JonBenet, which one?

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    Great catch. Yes, JR was caught out on that one.


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  17. singularity

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    Yeah its a huge slip up. John does something similar in the 'interrogation' when the ransom note is brought up. He screws up the time for the call. Instead of 8-10, John says 10-12. 10 to 12 had never been mentioned before by anybody, not LE, experts, sleuths, etc.

    What's happening when these types of slip ups occur is John is remembering the alternate plan that was never implemented. Instead of a note to John, it's a note to both of them. Instead of a call coming between 8 to 10 am, it was going to be 10 to 12. He acted surprised when corrected on this as well. This could also be a minor reveal. He may have had little to do with the writing of the note(which I believe) and he never paid much attention to it.
     
  18. k-mac

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    so many gotcha points we have!
    I requested a new thread specifically to put all these gotcha points in!
    hoping a mod reviews it soon :)
     
  19. JillRN

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    That's exactly it!! To me, it says that they both were participating in the writing of the RN, Patsy was just more confident that she could hide her natural handwriting and fool everyone. I suppose I am a BDI believer, because I do not think that either parent would have went to such lengths to cover for each other. Eventually, I think one of them would have had so much hate for the other and spilled the beans. In the case of BDI, however, they both had a mutual goal, and that was to save their only living child. That's what kept them going with the cover-up. I think they made excuses for him all those years, telling themselves and each other that BR is just different, no one understands him, he needs help, otherwise, wouldn't they have,without realizing it, almost shunned him. I suppose what I am trying to say is, I love my children with all my heart and soul and would protect them any way I could. IF one of them injured or killed (GOD FORBID) the other, how would one keep from resenting the living child, even though you still love them? Maybe that is why he has kind of been a loner and seems so odd. Maybe there was not much interaction between parents and child after the awful night and that is why he is so strange. Sorry, I am rambling, I think, I am just thinking about this as I write.
     
  20. Swirlz

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    Committing murder is not a "cover up", which is exactly what John and/or Patsy did if we're to accept BDI. She was alive when her parents made a decision to sacrifice her life for her brother's, and choked her to death. A cover up is when, upon finding your daughter unconscious due to a blow to the head inflicted by her brother, you call 911 and say she fell down the stairs. Fashioning a torture device designed to kill is premeditated murder. The cause of death was asphyxiation.

    To say that neither parent would cover for the other is a wild assumption. Sure it sounds illogical to us, but stranger occurrences have happened. Casey Anthony's father stayed with his wife who declares Casey's innocence even after he was accused of sexual abuse. He's estranged from Casey while his wife is still in contact with her. That sounds absolutely crazy, but dysfunctional dynamics exist.
     
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