Quick Question From a Very Long Follower of This Case: Gambling Connections?

Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by Girlinterrupted, Dec 9, 2019.

  1. Girlinterrupted

    Girlinterrupted New Member

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    Hi all,
    Been following this case since it began. I have a personal connection to it.

    I have a random question that may seem odd but please bear with me and know that I have read every blogpost, article, forum, seen every documentary, heard every podcast, read every book connected to this story.
    I have drawn out timelines, kept notes - like bordering on Claire Danes'-esque manic obsession in Homeland.

    That being said, please have faith that, although I am not a regular poster
    (I dont actually know if I've ever posted), I am very informed and devoted to this case.

    I also grew up in Manhattan and spent my summers on Fire Island (Davis Park) and alot of time in Babylon and Gilgo Beach.
    So I know the area well, as I said I have a real life personal connection to the case itself, plus I have a level of knowledge about the case that makes my friends uncomfortable at this point.

    I'm saying all this bc my question is going to sound like it's way out of left field but I promise, there's a method to my madness...

    My question:
    Has anyone heard of any connections on this case to gambling?
    Specifically poker, but I'll take any gambling connections?
    Literally anyone: victims, POIs, LE...can anyone think of a possible connection?
    Im very familiar w a high end private game that took place 2-3x per week in midtown Manhattan.
    These would be high buy-in, exclusive games w an invite only policy and a guest list that had very recognizable names on it.
    Girls/escorts would always be staffed to give massages during play - not sure what arrangements might have been made on the side for after the game. Party favors were definitely supplied.

    Also these games were connected to an invite only "Gentleman's Club" that is not at all what is generally defined as a "gentleman's club".
    Admission to the club requires you to be male, have a referral from an existing club member and be vetted and approved.
    Membership fees are high but what members get in return is basically a really high end clubhouse - gorgeous facilities, premium liquor, cigars, sports betting, high value networking and top of the line "female companionship".

    The guy that runs this place started out doing pop up events that were similar but in different locations (usually around West 35th to West 38th Street). The clubhouse is located in the same area of Manhattan.

    The guys who ran that poker game, they lived in Jersey City, in a highrise literally a block from SG, on Christopher Columbus Drive.
    The game and the gentleman's pop ups and club all operated in west midtown and their clientele often overlapped - as did the females who were hired to staff them.
    But the operators lived startlingly close to SG in Jersey City.
    I read in a post that SG and AD may have had gambling debts.
    I also read that MP constantly played online poker while waiting for SG and wonder if he played IRL as well.
    Apologies for the rambling as well as the randomness of this question.

    Mods, if this needs to be redirected somewhere else please lmk.
    (Edited for spelling)
     
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  2. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Girlinterrupted, welcome. Based on the fact that most criminal activities focus on the sex trade, gambling and drugs as their primary sources for attracting clients and generating profits. We know sex and drugs were involved and I would be very surprised to learn that gambling was not.

    How and to what extent gambling was involved I have no idea. Remember the trip to the CVS pharmacy that SG took with Brewer, I think they bought playing cards.
     
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    Girlinterrupted New Member

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    Yes, that was one of the points I noticed while re-reading the infinite number of posts. That, the fact that MP is continuously reported to have been playing video poker in his car while waiting for SG, the close proximity btwn where SG ived in Jersey City and where the ppl who ran the poker games in Manhattan lived (in Jersey City). The girls who worked those games wouldve definitely known and trusted the regulars. They would get tipped alot and would also (on many occasions) facilitate the party favors needed to keep the games going for long amounts of time. These parties/games were super high end. If anyone has seen the movie "Molly's Game", there was quite a big overlap in clientele. And if you are familiar w Molly Bloom and the East Coadt game she ran, she was brought down by the SEC eventually. The guys she was hosting werent just celebs and sports pros, she had major financial and political types playing as well. It was like a place to network. I'm aware this is sort of like dumping a bunch of puzzle pieces out onto the table and saying "See?"... I know I'm not putting anything together. I just know there was a major overlap btwn Molly's clientele and the clientele of the games run by the guys who lived in Jersey City. As I said they literally lived on the same block - Christopher Columbus Circle.
     
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    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    I really think the focus should, for the time being at least, be on the release of the 911 call. The SCPD has worked so hard to keep the release of that tape secret for so many years, that it must have contain some significant information.

    As far as I know, we are still waiting for an appeals court ruling on SCPD appealing Judge Berland's order to release the tape.

    Any updates?
     
  5. jessr927

    jessr927 Kim Raffo 2/12/71 - 11/20/06

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    I've always thought there is a gambling connection. Maureen worked at Foxwoods and I remember reading in Lost Girls about Melissa hanging out in a casino with her mother and stepfather maybe? If there is any connection between the GB4 and Atlantic City 4, that would also heighten a gambling connection.
     

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