I am not sure if there is a thread like this. II didn't see one while searching. I have been struck lately by how many lies, some insignificant, some important that the Ramseys and their spin team have tried to get us all to believe and color our opinion of the case and who the murderer of JonBenet may be. I'll start, as this one has been a hot topic of late. The size 12 undies. A) Patsy stated she gave them to JonBenet, putting them in with her panties so she could wear them when/if she wanted. B) She tried to make it sound as if they were not that big for JB, despite the fact that they were made for a child twice her age and twice her size. C) BPD confiscated all of the undies in JB's room. The larger undies were not in her drawer, as Patsy previously stated. D) Several years later, the R's turned in the remaining pairs of underwear, still in the original packaging. The oversized undies are well documented including in the arrest warrant for JMK. This is a document from the DA office, not the police department.