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Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #1

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  1. BirdycatNY

    BirdycatNY New Member

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    Imagine going out to a restaurant for one beer after work with an newly formed acquaintance who you have no intention of being intimate with and waking up early the next morning at this person's home with little to no recollection of the previous evening. You don't remember how you got there and your clothes are off or disheveled. Do you think perhaps someone may have spiked your drink with something? Or do you really think you would black out over one beer, not remember even transportation etc. and likely you would sense physically that you were violated in some fashion. What would you think in this scenario, Charlie09?
     
  2. IzzyBlanche

    IzzyBlanche Well-Known Member

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    From article linked below, BBM:

    "When a man is sitting a few feet away from you, side-by-side with his wife, on the occasion of having generously donated art to a museum and graciously granted you an interview, most people want to be polite, diffuse tension, and save face. Resisting those impulses is hard, even when it’s your job. So if you ever wonder why a victim is reluctant to go public with an accusation, consider the case of the AP reporter, who could barely manage to ask a question."

    Link: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...s_organization_suppress_it_for_more_than.html
     
  3. lawstudent

    lawstudent New Member

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    Did any of them have any idea what they were drugged with? With the normally used 'date rape drug', they could have been minimally conscious and had some hazy memories. There aren't a lot of drugs that will totally knock you out such that you are unconscious the whole night, but they certainly render you unable to give consent or resist. In addition to possible physical injuries, I have heard from people who were slipped something in a drink about the effects of roofies. They describe bits of memories and extreme vomiting/dizzyness that they knew wasn't the result of the few drinks they had.

    I do feel it is worth pointing out that defamation suits are not easy to win. Especially with something like this, where it's just someone's word against another's.
     
  4. BirdycatNY

    BirdycatNY New Member

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    Joyce Emmons. Former comedy club manager Joyce Emmons told TMZ in a story published Nov. 22 that she ran in the same crowd as Cosby in the late 1970s, and that he kept "a drawer full of drugs." Emmons says “one night she got a bad migraine and Cosby offered her a white pill which he said 'was a little strong' but could cure a headache,” according to TMZ. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...lt_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

    I am not sure about all of the alleged victims, but Constrand said "herbal pills" and another valium (I think). If BC actually had a dresser full of drugs, one would think the doctor(s) who prescribed medicine or supplier could be tracked down and the specific drug(s) verified. It may be difficult with HIPAA, unless some friend or supplier other than doctor though. JMO
     
  5. IzzyBlanche

    IzzyBlanche Well-Known Member

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    To Snoods and Pomegranate:

    Thank you for courageously sharing your experiences here in an attempt to shed insights on this issue from a firsthand perspective. That took guts.

    It pains me that both of you feel guilty for not reporting your attackers. I'm sure both of you have heard this before, but I don't think it can be said enough: neither of you is the guilty party.

    Big hugs to both of you. May you find the peace and healing you deserve.
     
  6. Truthy

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    Many thought something was mixed in their drinks- so he could do a higher dosage of something like valium, he mixed it in anything from tea to some sort of boozy drink. Other times, he was said to offer pills he claimed would help when women weren't feeling well.
     
  7. IzzyBlanche

    IzzyBlanche Well-Known Member

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    Don't assume, Nova. You know what that does. :lol:

    Charlie, what is the obvious reason?
     
  8. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/bill-cosby-speak-out-against-472176677


    http://www.standard.net/National-Commentary/2014/11/30/You-did-this-Bill-Cosby.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...3ac54c-774c-11e4-a755-e32227229e7b_story.html

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...s_but_only_one_s_career.html?wpisrc=obnetwork

    Why Does Alleged Sexual Predator R. Kelly Still Have a Career?

     
  9. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.co...cle_1e238a4d-1be0-5b5c-b330-02f1c3f19976.html
    This is the Bill Cosby I know
    Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:00 am
    By Eugene Kane
    WENDY MURPHY: Ugly truth seeps out about Bill Cosby
    By Wendy Murphy
    For The Patriot Ledger
    Posted Nov. 29, 2014 @ 5:00 am
    Updated Nov 29, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    (up to seven...? Keep up, will you?)

    http://www.enterprisenews.com/article/20141128/NEWS/311299980/12326/OPINION/?Start=2
     
  10. Trino

    Trino Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying Cosby did not do this. My question is what purpose does it have in 2014?

    Cosby's reputation is now "toast." If that was the purpose, that's certainly been done. He can easily hide away the rest of his life.

    If the purpose was to make the accusers feel better psychologically, that's probably done now that the accusations have come out.

    Is the 2014 purpose $$$? IMO a civil action suit is in the making. Cosby will be held accountable financially, although he will still be a wealthy man.

    I've seen the word "rape" used a lot. Just a comment from Victoria Valentino: "I don't think I ever called it by the name 'rape,' you know? I just felt used," she said.

    Read more at http://www.accesshollywood.com/bill...on-lawsuit_article_101100#F6fjkI4a1Ftqx2g0.99
     
  11. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Maybe a defense mechanism. If you don't say it out loud it didn't happen.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...074938-718e-11e4-8808-afaa1e3a33ef_story.html

    Here's Victoria Valentino using the word rape:
    She's clearly talking about herself as a rape victim there even though it's not in first person.

    And if someone who was given pills that knock them out protests a sexual act and yet the aggressor can't be stopped I tend to call it rape even if other people prefer some euphemisms.
     
  12. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    What relevance does the year have here? Suppose Cosby did do it, is there some time limit when rape has to be forgiven and forgotten and shushed and never mentioned again?

    The years gone past are important in terms of the statute of limitations running out but I'm not sure it makes much of a difference really... If some of these women had gone to the police in 1965 or 1972 or 1984 it's quite possible there would not have been enough evidence to prosecute anyhow.

    Is that a good or a bad thing? Do we as a society want alleged serial rapists to have a good reputation so they can mentor further young aspiring actresses and sexually assault a few more or if it was our daughters, would we like to know that there is good reason to be wary of this man?
    Yeah, it seems to me that being heard and getting their version of the truth out was psychologically quite a big thing for many of these women.

    Isn't there a statute of limitations in filing a civil case?

    I wonder how much he'll be getting from the exclusive interview the networks are said to be bidding on.
     
  13. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    http://crosscut.com/2014/11/28/culture-ethnicity/122973/bill-cosby-time-stand-and-face-lights/
     
  14. nrdsb4

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    I don't know why filing a civil suit seems to cement the idea that these women are lying. In the cases where the statute of limitations has passed, this is basically their only remedy.

    I'd want to hit him where it hurts, and for me, it would be less about me getting the money and more about him having to give it up. It would be about making him pay in the only way I could, and it would be SOME kind of acknowledgment that he did it and was being forced by the court system to suffer in some way for it.
     
  15. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    http://www.gonzalesinquirer.com/opinion/article_4da70562-7714-11e4-b4d9-370e22006d3a.html
    I can't seem to copy and paste from this opinion piece but it makes a good point about using the alleged victim's alcohol and drug problems to minimize her claims.



    http://www.timesleader.com/news/life/50734205/Scandal-threatens-TVs-favorite-father
    http://www.goerie.com/article/20141...-accusations-can't-be-ignored:-Leonard-Pitts#

    Read more: http://www.sj-r.com/article/20141128/Opinion/141129581#ixzz3KYrxM2bJ




    This is imo obliquely relevant to Victoria Valentino not calling it rape.

    http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/14545912-95/katy-burns-the-cosby-conundrum
    http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/jeff-simon/the-cosby-mess-is-both-tragic-and-historic-20141130
     
  16. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Disclaimer: this counts as hearsay or rumor as it's not the woman herself but her friend telling the story and she couldn't even track the alleged victim down for details.

    But FWIW here's another accusation. Allegedly Cosby was in a consensual relationship with a woman, "Sandy" and then one night drugged her and had sex with her.

    Writer is:
    http://www.salon.com/2014/11/30/bill_cosby_and_drugging_my_34_year_old_secret/

     
  17. Jacie Estes

    Jacie Estes Medical Marijuana Advocate

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    Cosby should just go sit in a corner with a box of Jello Pudding Pops [do they even make that garbage anymore?] count his money and not inflict himself or his penis on anyone else.

    He is a tired old man who is not funny and offers no redeeming value to the world. IMHO
     
  18. rosemadderlake

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    I have been following this thread and am mighty impressed with the WS’ers gathering of facts, articles, and the opinions you all have offered on this very complex story involving many lives.

    I am from the generation that listened to his records in the 70’s and watched I Spy. --Cosby’s career is enormous, spans multiple generations, and while I doubt the allegations against him will affect his artistic legacy in the long run, I do believe what these women have done collectively, and successfully, is shamed him right back. -So much so that some of the universities he supports are dropping him like a hot potato. That speaks volumes – imo.

    In the 70’s, I don’t think any woman would go to the police for rape unless she ended up in a hospital, first. There was no rape kit, no DNA testing, no recovery through therapy. -And if your family knew? Well, might as well bring the nails for the coffin.

    To the question of why now, in 2014? The media wouldn’t investigate this story in 2005-it was hushed up. For the women who are voicing their experiences now, I don’t think this was a planned event but a spontaneous rising sparked from another comedian’s comment on the subject, and the sheer power of numbers because for the first time there is the vehicle of social media along with a new MSM willing to publish it – going around the world in less than 60 seconds. I think these women are brave.

    I saw Cosby interviewed by Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show this past summer—watched with embarrassment for the overly polite Fallon as Cosby emotionally strong armed him and got in his face –made him shut up while he took over the show. I don’t even remember what he was talking about amidst the thought that this man is a sidewinder and needs to retire. But in thinking about it again - there has always been an in-your-face aspect to Cosby’s story telling. And, I think there is a lot of fury behind the benevolent veneer.

    I was reading an article on Ferguson in the NYT week in review section this morning and came across some insights about Cosby and women in the middle of the article. The predominantly white woman factor in the allegations speaks to power, cracking some perceived moral code – and the notches in the belt of manhood. And, the drugs wipe out memory while keeping the perceived façade intact.

    Where do we go after Ferguson?

    “But Mr. Cosby’s put-downs are more pernicious than that. How could one ever defend his misogynistic indictment of black women’s lax morals and poor parenting skills? “Five, six children, same woman, eight, 10 different husbands or whatever,” he liked to recite. “Pretty soon you’re going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you’re making love to. You don’t know who this is; might be your grandmother.”

    Journalistic mea culpas are now accompanying Mr. Cosby’s Shakespearean fall from grace. He has been recast as a leering king who is more sinner than sinned against as the allegations of drugging and raping women pile up. But these writers avoid mentioning the sexist blinders that kept them from seeing how hateful Mr. Cosby was toward black women long before he was accused of abusing mostly white women”.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/opinion/sunday/where-do-we-go-after-ferguson.html?_r=0
     
  19. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Ohh the hypocrisy... Scolding women for having eight or ten sexual partners... how many people has Cosby had sexual encounters with? Whatever you think of the rape allegations it doesn't seem like he's been particularly monogamous in his life.
     
  20. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    By definition, sex without conscious consent is rape. There's no other way around it.
     
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