Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

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  1. Coldpizza

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    Steely Dan Former Member

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    Well it looks like Bill Cosby made a stupid decision on his twitter account. He sort of "Streisand Effected" himself.

    http://us.cnn.com/2014/11/14/showbiz/tv/bill-cosby-rape-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

    Rape allegations haunt Bill Cosby in the digital age
    By Todd Leopold and Ben Brumfield, CNN
    updated 5:08 AM EST, Fri November 14, 2014

    ...The Tweet

    On Monday, the comedian -- or whomever was in charge of his social media -- put out a challenge with a jovial picture of Cosby in a cap: "Go ahead. Meme me! #cosbymeme."

    The Internet immediately reacted, but probably not in the way Cosby expected.

    "Claire, have you seen my ... nevermind, found my raping hat!" tweeted Trill Withers over the cap picture....


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    There's a lot more to this and I suggest reading the entire article before commenting.
     

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  4. wendiesan

    wendiesan New Member

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    My bolds.

    There is no typical rapist.

    The perpetrators of sexual violence are not all rich. They are not all in the same profession. They are not all the same age. They are not all the same race. They have not all been abused. They have not all been indulged. They do not all lack willing sexual partners.

    http://sapac.umich.edu/article/196

    However, rapists are, IMO, all predators. And, sadly, again IMO, we still have stereotypes of who a rapist is that are divisive and dangerously misleading. The very fact that a rapist may have presented himself/herself as a warm, caring, helpful person who holds high ideals and is respected in the community may make a rape victim doubt her/his understanding of what has happened. The less the perpetrator resembles the stereotype, the more the victim may be disbelieved.

    The scenarios being alleged by women bringing their stories to the press about their experiences with BC seem consistent with acquaintance rape (https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/acquaintance-rape) and with date rape (http://www.girlshealth.gov/safety/saferelationships/daterape.html). The stories describing the alleged actions of BC are, to say the least, sad and disturbing but, IIRC, remain corroborated. As well, the number of years between the alleged incidents and the reporting of the incidents raises questions about the women reporting the behaviour. I think there may be many reasons for them to have waited, but among those reasons is that in our culture we now commonly use the word "rape" to describe what allegedly happened to them all those years ago.

    Although the act we now call "acquaintance rape" has probably always existed in human societies, the term "acquaintance rape" has only become part of North American culture relatively recently. The term was first published in 1978 by Diana Russell, and the first major book in the USA about the subject was published by Robin Warshaw in 1988. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquaintance_rape). The title of the book may have relevance to this case, and, if the accusations prove true, may be relevant in understanding why some women are only coming forward now: I Never Called It Rape.

    Maybe now, some of these women are, for the first time, calling what they experienced by its proper name.
     
  5. Trino

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    Why did BC chose to drug his accusers, assuming they are truthful? I'm betting a lot of them would have been willing partners. Did he think they wouldn't remember?
     
  6. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    JMO I think some people probably get more kicks over the power aspect of date rape. Rendering someone helpless and having the power to do anything to someone who can't resist gives them a stronger rush than just the part of the act where the genitals rub together. Consensual sex is not as exciting for these people. The ability to give or refuse their consent gives the woman influence and status in the relationship. The rapist wants to see himself as the king and the ruler of his empire with absolute power over mere mortals and not as someone who has to negotiate to have sex with a girl (who might refuse).

    Maybe partly from contempt and misogyny too? Getting their kicks out of humiliating a woman? Revenge for whatever transgressions, real or imaginary, the woman had committed in his mind? Didn't one of the women say the drugging happened after a consensual relationship was ending? (sorry I forget who) "YOU don't leave me, I will tell you when to eff off", that sort of thing.

    I've no doubt he could have found any number of willing sexual partners at any time and according to what I read about his biography it seems like he did too.
     
  7. Sonya610

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    The thrill of doing it without their consent/knowledge. Also fox news had an article stating he could also have a "sleepy" fetish (i.e. sex with unconscious women).

    Not to imply all guys with a sleepy fetish are into rape, but allegedly he even drugged and had sex with a girlfriend that was a very consensual partner.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/12/10/is-bill-cosby-somnophiliac/
     
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    Maybe BC himself was abused/raped in his youth. I'm no expert, but isn't there some sort of propensity for victims to become victimizers? Or am I getting rape/sexual assault confused with domestic violence? Or pedophilia?

    Abuse in his past might provide some explanation for the way CC has stood by his side - maybe they went through therapy together to work out the issues with his infidelity, and maybe these details came out at that time.

    Total speculation on my part.
     
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    Sexual Abuse of Males: Prevalence, Possible Lasting Effects and Resources

    http://www.jimhopper.com/male-ab/

    Some of the long-term effects of sexual abuse are related to the development of gender identity. A number of clinicians' case studies indicate that male survivors of childhood sexual abuse may experience:

    Attempts to "prove" their masculinity by having multiple female sexual partners, sexually victimizing others, and/or engaging in dangerous or violent behaviors


    I have no idea of the quality of this research, I was just searching for something to explain BC's seeming fetish for drugging and raping women.
     
  10. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    I
    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/12/s...ohnson-cosby-allegations/index.html?hpt=ju_c2

    http://www.today.com/popculture/bev...-cosby-allegations-why-im-speaking-1D80365699
    Incl. video. She looks very credible to me. JMO.

    http://www.people.com/article/beverly-johnson-tells-people-why-speaking-out-bill-cosby
     
  11. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/beverly-johnson-bill-cosby_n_6315140.html

    http://gawker.com/janice-dickinson-supports-beverly-johnsons-bill-cosby-d-1670277424
    Incl. video:
    She says happy holidays and rape is not a joking matter (referring to South Park)

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...ylor-swift-drink-south-park-article-1.2042209
    Leave it to “South Park” to lampoon Bill Cosby’s sex assault scandal by pairing him in a scene with Taylor Swift.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...o-cancel-bill-cosby-s-hamilton-show-1.2871282
    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/12/jim-breuer-bill-cosby-scandal-2/
     
  12. Morag

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    It's not up to us or the victims to know why Cosby did it. He knows.
     
  13. Trino

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    We can't speculate? Gee. I thought that was what WS was all about.
     
  14. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janessa-e-robinson/do-you-think-bill-cosbys-_b_6311250.html

    Do You Think Bill Cosby's Rape Allegations Are a Conspiracy?
     
  16. wendiesan

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    According to the Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Center, that's possible but does not apply in the majority of cases.

    http://sapac.umich.edu/article/196
     
  17. BirdycatNY

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    From the article, "Her story illuminates the social expectation women feel to comply with men's requests for fear of being seen as rude, a b!@#h, or worse being physically harmed. One can only imagine this weight may magnify in women in the entertainment industry whose incomes rely on maintaining amicable relationships with powerful individuals, most often men."

    Beverly Johnson "It's nuts, I know, but it felt oddly inappropriate arguing with Bill Cosby so I took a few sips of the coffee just to appease him."


    This is spot on, how many women or even men have had to be in an uncomfortable position and you end up appeasing them, even if it's coffee. The pushiness of some people is totally inappropriate but it catches a person off-guard so they just give in. Anyone know if this is a particular trait of serial rapists?, because I am sure there are guys/girls that do this but not sure it's something that would be a trait of rapists. (ie. going out to the bar with friends and some guy constantly trying to chat you up or buy drinks when not wanted).
     
  18. Sonya610

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    I do not think it is a trait specific to serial rapists especially when many rapists use outright force/weapons.

    I also don't think the vast majority of persistent men in bars realize what they are doing, they just want to get the woman's attention and don't know how. They think if they keep trying the results will change.

    Could it contribute to date rape? If the woman says no but then keeps giving in to requests to "be nice"? Absolutely. Maybe because the rapist is encouraged by her submissiveness, or maybe because he actually thinks she doesn't really mean "no" (since she said no to other things and he changed her mind).
     
  19. BirdycatNY

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    Slightly O/T But there is something called "sexual coercion" that other species experience. I was recently thinking about how animals handle it because my brother told me male ducks rape females and in which I never knew. I think it it's interesting that females of various species will use various tactics to prevent sexual coercion like "anatomical protection, male avoidance, protection/alliances, resistance/fighting back or acceptance/submission." (not a biologist but found on wikia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion). Some of these are things that humans do like avoidance, alliances, fighting back and even submission.

    More on sexual coercion in humans:
    What Does 'Sexual Coercion' Say About A Society?
    By Shankar Vedantam
    May 10, 2013 5:04 AM ET
    http://www.npr.org/2013/05/10/182654664/what-does-sexual-coercion-say-about-a-society

    "Sexual coercion, Sanday said — in a view backed by numerous feminist scholars — is shaped by cultural forces: "It is important to understand that violence is socially and not biologically programmed...In one analysis of 228 U.S. cities, researchers suggested that "in areas where women enjoy a higher absolute status, rape rates will be lower," meaning that access to power — rather than equality per se — might protect women against sexual coercion. In some ways, this finding meshes with research that suggests disadvantaged women in many societies are the ones who are at greatest risk of experiencing sexual coercion."

    What is Sexual Coercion?

    Mon, 04/28/2014 - 11:40 -- NDVH
    http://www.loveisrespect.org/what-sexual-coercion
    "...It’s not consent if you’re afraid to say no. It’s not consent if you’re being manipulated, pressured, or threatened to say yes. It’s also not consent if you or a partner is unable to legitimately give consent, which includes being asleep, unconscious, under the influence of conscious-altering substances or not able to understand what you’re saying yes to...."
     
  20. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    ‘Bill Cosby is NOT Cliff Huxtable!!’: Daughter of Beverly Johnson defends supermodel mom after she speaks out against fallen funnyman
    Well I don't think her mom needs defending, as such, but if there's anyone still out there who hasn't realized that characters are not actors and actors are not characters I guess they could use this wake up call.
     
  21. Morag

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    Of course it is. Go right ahead and speculate why Cosby drugged all those women before he raped them!
     
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