Raven - A life of FAILURES?

Discussion in 'Janet Christiansen Abaroa' started by SouthEastSleuth, Feb 27, 2006.

  1. SouthEastSleuth

    SouthEastSleuth New Member

    Messages:
    465
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    In re-reading Raven’s one and only blog entry (date Monday, April 25, 2005, 11:15 am) I’m struck again by his closing words:

    "In summary, I feel my strengths and weaknesses have been molded from the way I was raised. Through the events of my childhood I was able to develop strengths that not only helped me survive my adolescence, but have proven to be a great attribute to the development of my personal and professional life. I also understand that I am able to change my weaknesses through my ability to adapt and that by doing so I will achieve success."

    After all of these months, and with what we’ve come to know about Raven, I read his words, and I’m reminded of the many failures he’s had in his life. And it makes me wonder if Raven was and is always striving and pushing himself for things that in the end have always been beyond his grasp, his abilities, his means, etc. And it’s an interesting contrast to Janet’s successes. Was Raven in competition with her in some weird way? Was she a trophy to him, representing the things that he was NOT? Was he jealous of her successes?

    I’m sure there are others, but I’ve taken the liberty here of listing some of the more obvious failures in Raven’s life, thus far:

    - Dropped out of SVU - academic/educational failure

    - Failed at being a soccer star at SVU - athletic failure

    - Dropped out from serving his LDS mission - religious failure

    - Soccer training business, 2nutmeg, failed - professional failure

    - Employment history indicates MULTIPLE professional failures possibly - I mean how many jobs can one person have by the time they are 26?

    - Financial chaos - fiscal failure

    - Infidelity(ies) - marital/moral/ethical failure

    - Eurosport embezzlement - ethical/moral/professional failure

    And so where is Raven now?

    Living with his mother? Working part-time at a bike store? Receiving government benefits based on his wife’s murder? Reporting to a probation officer as a convicted felon?

    Don’t misunderstand me, there’s nothing inherently wrong with any of those things, well mostly, but, for someone as ambitious as Raven? With such lofty plans, goals, etc? Is life just one huge failure for Raven now?

    One bright spot – Kaiden. Let’s hope that even if Raven fails at every single aspect of his life, that he can at least succeed at being a good father – but, who knows, perhaps he’s not even good at being a dad either – only time will tell.

    Again:

    "I also understand that I am able to change my weaknesses through my ability to adapt and that by doing so I will achieve success."

    Someone, as I recall the person called themselves "karli boulden," once replied to the blog, "Very good reflection on your life and goals."

    Well karli, to each his own, but with failure after failure in the life’s goals column, I don’t know, seems to me it’s time to re-evaluate the plan and strategy???
     
  2. Loading...


  3. JustJax

    JustJax New Member

    Messages:
    1,531
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Excellent observation SES.​

    And all of those failures added up to the biggiest failure of all....​

    -The Murder of Janet Christiansen-Abaroa and her unborn Child-​
    Failure to Family, God, and Humanity​
     
  4. BirdHunter

    BirdHunter Looks like I caught me a bird

    Messages:
    234
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    WOW really makes you think.:loser:
     
  5. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Raven is and will always be a failure at everything he does.

    Raven you are Failure.
     
  6. OriginalJerseyGirl

    OriginalJerseyGirl CERTIFIED FLYERS FANATIC!

    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Perhaps the strategy was reevaluated already at some time prior to April 26, 2005.

    I was looking through old VX posts of Raven's yesterday, and one of them has been standing out in my mind ever since. I don't have the exact quote in front of me (but I'll no doubt edit this to include it later). But in speaking about looking for a new job post-firing from ES, Raven said that starting over is very difficult. I wonder if a part of Raven decided that if you have to start over, you might as well start from square one. It's a creepy thought in the mind of a normal person but in the mind of a sociopath, it's simply part of a calculation. Considering Raven's affinity for Franklin Covey programs, I can't help but wonder if he didn't sit down with pen and paper (or laptop), and calculate all of the reasons to continue with life as it was before April 26, 2005 or to throw all caution to the wind and just go for it - get a brand new start - new home, new job, new state, new family. And again, I've often wondered how Kaiden fits into all of this. Was it that the murderer simply couldn't harm him? Or was the murderer more concerned that harming Kaiden as well would make it easier to identify him.

    The bottom line is - until the murder is solved, I would hope that those personally involved with any potential suspects keep a good eye on them. Even if you believe that they're innocent - keep an eye on them nonetheless. If you see anything that seems suspicious, call LE. If for no other reason, do it for Kaiden.

    Other posts to consider:

    VehiCROSS.info Forums - View Single Post - 99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell

    I appreciate the props WormGOD. That was my one and only event so far and I loved it... I won't be off the VX train for long if I do sell. Right now I continue to job hunt hard and hope to make it through this!

    VehiCROSS.info Forums - View Single Post - 99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell

    I am now working for an IT training company out of Raleigh, however I am not making near what I need to survive. I am still steadily interviewing for some higher paying jobs and one job I am in as a finalist.

    I've decided that parting with the VX is going to be what I need to do. I am going to go to the complete lowest I can go to hopefully sell within 30 days as I am a few payments behind as of today and don't think I can catch up in my current state.
     
  7. snapple

    snapple New Member

    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I heard a psychologist on a TV program once say; women tend to murder their husbands to get "rid" of them, but men usually kill their spouses to "keep" them. In their own messed up mind they don't want their spouse to leave, so they kill them to prevent them from going anywhere.

    Janet may have just found out about raven pretending to go to work, the embezzlement, the lies..etc., and maybe raven thought Janet leaving him would be another "failure" stacked on top of all the rest and snapped....but then again, maybe he's just a selfish, preditory S.O.B
     
  8. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The following information is from Wikipedia on Domestic Violence - it starts pointing to the reasons why here, though there was no known domestic violence in the relationship of Raven and Janet, there are many reports that he was very dominant in the relationship and had a control issue when it came to who Janet spoke to, what Janet wore, what Janet was allowed to do.

    There are many different theories as to the cause of domestic violence. One of the leading theories is that domestic violence is fueled by a need for power and control over another person. The Domestic Abuse Intervention Project illustrated this by creating the "Power and Control Wheel" which shows power and control at the center, surrounded by spokes referring to techniques used, the titles of which include:

    • Coercion and threats
    • Intimidation
    • Emotional abuse
    • Isolation
    • Minimizing, denying and blaming
    • Using Children
    • Economic Abuse
    • Male Privilege
    The simplest theory that explains the cause for domestic violence comes from people who deal with bullies. It is a means to an end that is easier than other means. The heading on the UK National Website for Bullying in the Family states that 'Those Who Can, Do. Those Who Can't Bully.' It seems reasonable to add that those who won't also prefer violence too.

    Given the complexity of human beings and human societies, it seems likely that the full scope of possible intentions for violence occur in domestic violence too. One film which shows some of these intentions is The Piano (1994). Domestic violence often seems to be intended to intimidate, deter, avenge, punish and/or to torture. Anthropologist Michael Ghigleiri, in his scientific study of male violence suggests that anger in insecure and jealous men who abuse women is associated with prior physical and verbal abuse by their mothers. These men who fear abandonment and cuckoldry by their wives, use abuse as the best way to stop them.

    Though not by any means a cause, substance abuse and mental illness can act as fuel for domestic violence.


    I begin now by wondering what kind of relationship Raven had with his Mother. I have not heard any reports of "physical abuse" but I wonder if there was "mental abuse" or "verbal abuse" in their relationship.
     
  9. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There is a study which is going on in Canada right now regarding "Intimate Femicide" that I would like to share with you below: I'm just waiting for Stage 5 on this case.

    http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/html/intimate_femicide.html

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT]Intimate Femicide: An Analysis Of Men Who Kill Their Partners[/font]
    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]By: Gregory P. Kerry M.A., Correctional Service of Canada & Carleton University[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1][originally printed in Education Wife Assault Newsletter , V. 9 # 1, June 1998][/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]While there is a vast body of knowledge on violence against women, intimate femicide, the most severe form of violence, has received little attention. This is alarming since statistics show that when a woman is killed, the perpetrator is often a man who has been intimately involved with her (Campbell, l992; Crawford & Gartner, l992; Stout, l99l; Statistics Canada, l99l; l989; U.S. Department of Justice, l992). [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]To better understand intimate femicides, a binary model is proposed. Within this model, intimate femicide is understood as having two different origins: one involves the murder of an oppressed woman who attempted to emancipate herself and the other is an actual or attempted murder/suicide in which a socially inept and dependent man kills his liberated and independent partner. This model thus divides intimate murders into those who attempted or committed suicide immediately after killing their partner and those who did not.[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]The binary model follows these two groups of men through five stages.
    [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Stage I, termed 'Pre-Murder', explores how the men define their masculinity, attitudes towards women and their relationship with female partners.
    [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Stage II, the 'Precipitating Event', highlights what triggered the ensuing murder in the perpetrator's mind.
    [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Stage III, the 'Lethal Act', considers the actual attack and murder.
    [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Stage IV, the 'Post-Murder', explores the time interval immediately following the murder.
    [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Finally, Stage V, 'Adjustment to Incarceration', focuses on the man as he serves his sentence and his present views towards the victim and the offence.[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]To evaluate the binary model and to identify variables that may differentiate between men who kill their female partner and men who do not, questionnaires were administered to 86 men sentenced for the murder of an intimate partner (Intimate Murderers), 151 randomly selected men sentenced for an offence other than the murder of an intimate partner (General Offenders) and l00 randomly selected non-incarcerated men. [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Data analysis is currently underway and will be reported in greater detail once completed. However, interesting findings are already emerging. For example, inmates were asked to rate their emotional state at intervals before, during and after their offence. No significant differences were observed between Intimate Murderers and General Offenders in the 24 hour period before the offence. However, there is an intensification in feelings of dysphoria* and anger just before and more so during the offence that sets the Intimate Murders apart from other offenders. This finding may explain the intense violence often found in intimate murders and the high rate of suicide or attempted suicide following these offences. [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1] Address correspondence to: [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Gregory P. Kerry, Warkworth Institution, Psychology Department, P.O. Box 760, Campbellford, Ontario[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]K0L 1L0, (705) 924-8051[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Notes[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]*chronic feelings of illness and discontent [/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]References[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Campbell, J. C. (l992). "If I can't have you, no one can: Power and control in homicide on female partners." In J. Radford & D. Russell (Eds.), Femicide: The politics of woman killing. Toronto, Ontario: MacMillan.[/size][/font]
    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Crawford, M., & Gartner, R. (l992). Women killing: Intimate Femicide in Ontario, l974-l990 . Toronto, Ontario: Women we Honour Action Committee [/size][/font]
    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]Statistics Canada. (l989). Juristat Service Bulletin, (May) 9 (l), Minister of Supply and Services Canada.[/size][/font]
    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1] Statistics Canada. (l99l). Homicide in Canada. Juristat Service Bulletin, l2 (l8), Minister of Supply and Services Canada.[/size][/font]
    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1] Stout, K. (l99l). "Intimate femicide: A National demographic overview". Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 6 (4), 476-485.[/size][/font]
    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1] U.S. Department of Justice. (l992). "Crime in the U.S. l99l", Uniform crime reports. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office.[/size][/font]
     
  10. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/18/comparing.pdf

    Also is an interesting PDF File Which Compares Men and Women as Victims of Homicide. This has some interesting facts though it is Study that is done in Australia, I believe that they seem to correlate between studies done in other countries including the US.

    Some of the most interesting facts are listed below:

    A female is more likely to be killed by an intimate partner, whereas a male is more likely to be killed by a friend or acquaintance.

    Both Men and Women are more likely to be killed by knife or other sharp instrument.

    A similiar percentage of men and women victmis are the same age as their offenders.

    In the study it also shows that the the incident of Male Partner (offender) not working has a 62.4% rate of these murders from 1989 - 1998.
     
  11. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
  12. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The facts:

    Domestic Homicides


    • On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.16
    • Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17
    • Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause18 , and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.19
    • Research suggests that injury related deaths, including homicide and suicide, account for approximately one-third of all maternal mortality cases, while medical reasons make up the rest. But, homicide is the leading cause of death overall for pregnant women, followed by cancer, acute and chronic respiratory conditions, motor vehicle collisions and drug overdose, peripartum and postpartum cardiomyopthy, and suicide.20
    http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/

    Yet another Failure in the life of Raven Samuel Peters Abaroa
     
  13. OriginalJerseyGirl

    OriginalJerseyGirl CERTIFIED FLYERS FANATIC!

    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    BTW, this was posted on February 15, 2005, about nine weeks prior to Janet's murder.
     
  14. OriginalJerseyGirl

    OriginalJerseyGirl CERTIFIED FLYERS FANATIC!

    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And sometimes it doesn't even have to be "abuse". Sometimes it's a lack of interaction between mother and child. If a mother is struggling to raise children, put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads, and tend to her own needs as well, then oftentimes she is so caught up in her own emotional turmoil that she simply cannot be there for the kids. Even mothers that are physically there are sometimes emotionally absent. I think that the scars left from this kind of relationship are just as devastating as those left from an abusive one.
     
  15. OriginalJerseyGirl

    OriginalJerseyGirl CERTIFIED FLYERS FANATIC!

    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And it seems that this was a definite. Recall the stories of Janet having to call those she cared about from her cell phone while on walks. It's just plain infuriating that a "man" would treat a woman that way; I don't care what the cause. If you've got issues, then get yourself to a counselor ... don't take it out on those around you. I'm so sick of people mistreating those around them rather than taking responsibility for themselves. I wonder if the loser checked the cell phone bill every month to keep tabs on whom Janet was calling. :rolleyes:
     
  16. OriginalJerseyGirl

    OriginalJerseyGirl CERTIFIED FLYERS FANATIC!

    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Is this considering only intimate murders or murder in general? Maybe this is where the results can't be carried over from Australia to the US. It seems that the gun laws in Australia are more complicated than they are here in the US, (the following is largely an opinion piece but the best I can do for now as I have to run out soon):

    ... Draconian gun control laws have recently been introduced—touched off by a lone gunman’s shooting rampage in Tasmania in 1996. The public outrage towards the madman was understandable, and anti-gun politicians rode an easy tidal wave of indignation that quickly put extremely restrictive gun laws on the books. There is no Bill of Rights in Australia, so the whims of media frenzies can often end up as law. And there is nothing you can do about it.

    All firearms must now be registered, and only those farmers or sporting shooters who can obtain a prohibitively hard-to-get "Category C" license can now legally possess weapons such as semi-automatic .22s and pump-action shotguns. We’re not talking about school yard Uzis and AK-47s here, but even deer rifles and your grandmother’s 20-gauge. They are now banned to all those who can’t justify to the government (in an eight-page registration form) that they deserve a gun license...

    Nevada Journal: Guns Down Under
     
  17. lauriej

    lauriej 'wild rose country...'

    Messages:
    4,427
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  18. OriginalJerseyGirl

    OriginalJerseyGirl CERTIFIED FLYERS FANATIC!

    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    VehiCROSS.info Forums - 99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell

    January 20, 2005 -

    99 Vx, Custom Black Paint, Lift, Tires, Must Sell
    "... I fall into the Jobless statistics that CNN reads out these days. SHIZZZ.

    I'm looking hard, but its really difficult to start over.

    So, I am asking $13,000 O.B.O for my pride and joy..."

    It still amuses me ... "I fall into the jobless statistics ..." As was pointed out by lauriej (I think) on another thread, he was FIRED for stealing! He wasn't laid off, (although that's what he told "jager"). And even after that, jager said that Raven seemed more upbeat than ever! Probably because he was pulling in money for nothing on his e-bay sales ... and interestingly, even while selling on e-bay, he changed his name to reflect his new status ... lostmyjobsales. Doesn't sound like someone who's overly embarassed or broken up over his lost job. If anything, he found a way to use his new status for more sympathy. Maybe hoping that people would bid higher when they saw that he had no job.
     
  19. SouthEastSleuth

    SouthEastSleuth New Member

    Messages:
    465
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That has always amazed me. He gets caught. He gets arrested. He's facing charges in a few months. Yet, he simply carries on - presumably with his existing "inventory," and simply changes his eBay moniker TO EVEN REFLECT THAT HE'S "LOST" HIS JOB!

    No shame.
    No remorse.
    No guilt.
    No conscience.

    Even down the road when he says to the judge that he embezzled to pay bills (HA!) - as if that it's perfectly acceptable; as if embezzlement is just no big deal. Well, a felony conviction IS a big deal. But, perhaps for someone like Raven, it takes a long while for that to sink in, if ever!
     
  20. terminatrixator

    terminatrixator All Posts JMO - May Godspeed Justice for Janet and

    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I could not have said this any better myself. NO shame, NO remorse, NO guilt, NO conscience.

    [​IMG] Raven You do have self-pity, self-preservation, self-promotation, why can't you do the right thing, and turn yourself in. In the long run, your son Kaiden will be more apt to forgive you, the Court System will go easier on you, LWOP in general population sucks....hard actually. Death Penalty, it could happen, and I am thinking that this may qualify...and rightly so.

    Understand ONE day, you will be arrested and be brought to Justice, and Justice will be swift and hard. Think of your family and all they will have to go through, think of Kaiden and all he will have to go through when it comes to trial. Stop thinking about yourself, for the first time in your life and do the right thing and turn yourself in and confess for Janet, for your unborn child, for Kaiden, for your family and Janet's family.
     
  21. slinkycat

    slinkycat New Member

    Messages:
    12
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Random funny: Raven's Ebay ID from 11/15/03-1/19/05 was 'futbalrguy'. If you do a search for 'futbalrguy' on Google, it comes back and asks 'did you mean fatbaldguy?'
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice