RDI Theories & Discussion ONLY!

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Nom de plume, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. Nom de plume

    Nom de plume New Member

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    This thread is for discussing RDI theories ONLY!! It is NOT for discussing or arguing IDI. Take that over to the IDI thread. Thanks!

    Any and all topics RDI are welcome here! :rockon:
     
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  3. Chelly

    Chelly Well-Known Member

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    For some time I've wanted to discuss the head bash that fractured JB's skull.
    Was BR strong enough to deliver that skull-cracking blow?

    If a logical discussion convinces me that BR didn't deliver the blow to JB's skull, I will revise my theory. As always, I appreciate your help.
     
  4. BOESP

    BOESP Active Member

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    I know I'll soon be clobbered, but that's okay. :)

    I am in the camp that believes JonBenet's head struck an object rather than an object struck her head. The injury seems to be a low velocity/high pressure wound to me, which is often seen in blunt force trauma where the person injured strikes an immovable object.

    On the other hand, lets say a hammer struck JonBenet's head. That is a relatively high velocity/low pressure wound and I think Burke would have been very much capable of delivering that type injury. Actually, he could have also delivered the either type wound, imo.

    The above are examples only and in no way suggest that I know what method or instrument was used.
     
  5. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    Here we go again....
     
  6. Chelly

    Chelly Well-Known Member

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    BOESP:
    I'll take your word about lv/hp and hv/lp. No worries about being clobbered by me.

    Would the rim of a bathtub or toilet being struck with a child's head with a moderate amount of force create the lv/hp wound?

    Thanks.
     
  7. Nom de plume

    Nom de plume New Member

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    IMO, it would have had to be a heavy enough object, with the blow delivered at just the right angle. IOW, I don't see it happening. Not that it's impossible, but remember, her hit her in the face with a golf club IIRC, and did no severe damage.


    I know a 7 yr old killed his friend by accident with a golf club, but IMO this murder started as a sexual assault that went wrong somewhere along the way. Yes, it's possible the perp was BR, but I see an adult male as a more likely suspect.

    I think the main reason I don't see it as BR is that I think it was a close contact, so to speak, blow. Not at the end of a bat, golf club, etc. If it happened during the course of an assault, the perp & JB would be close together. Therefore, IMO, the flashlight is the most likely weapon (sorry otg!) although it could have been a trophy, or a hand weight. The fact that the Maglite was wiped down inside and out tells me it had some direct connection to the crime. I still think the blow may have been the result of JB biting the perp, in a VERY tender spot. We have no way of knowing if anyone had bite marks on them. :moo:
     
  8. Nom de plume

    Nom de plume New Member

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    Scarlett you have your IDI thread all to yourself now. We have this one. Why can't we just agree to disagree? You stay on yours, we'll stay on ours, and all the others are fair game?

    To be very honest, the whole point of this thread was to NOT have to defend our opinions to you. Would it be so bad to just let us have this one thread where you don't post? IOW, we'll stay out of your "yard" if you stay out of "ours". When we want to debate, we'll meet in the others?

    :seeya:
     
  9. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    I wish that BDI would be eliminated as a theory, once and for all.

    Nothing supports it - not evidence, not common sense.

    There is no motive.

    On the other hand, the parents are statistically most likely to have hurt their child.

    I feel the torch was out because JB was taken to the basement as a punishment, and the lights kept off intentionally.

    I think that the blow to the head was made in the basement by the torch, and probably by PR, when JB wouldn't shut up. She'd already been molested and was hysterically over tired and rebellious this time.

    The basement in the dark was part of the ritual/torture/punishment thing PR had going on.

    PR belted her one across the head, went back upstairs, maybe put BR to bed (or he was already there) then wandered up to inform John of the big oopsy.



    :moo:
     
  10. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Nom de plume,
    I reckon the head-bash was non-accidental, and something from her bedroom was used. I say this since I reckon this was the primary crime-scene.

    I might speculate that a non-ramsey used the maglite that night?


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  11. Nom de plume

    Nom de plume New Member

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    Please elaborate on this theory. By torch, I presume you mean the Maglite? What kind of ritual/torture/punishment are you thinking here?
     
  12. otg

    otg Reports of my death are greatly exagerated... but

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    If you get clobbered, B, would that be a "low velocity/high pressure" clobber, or a "high velocity/low pressure" clobber?

    Just curious...

    :seeya:
     
  13. Nom de plume

    Nom de plume New Member

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    Not agreeing or disagreeing.....but I just love your dry sense of humor OTG!

    :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
     
  14. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    I'm thinking JB may have been afraid of the dark.

    I'm thinking she was afraid of the dark because bad things happened in the dark.

    I think the basement was regularly used as a punishment especially for her. Shutting her down there with the spiders would make her far more compliant next time. Tying her hands was to stop her getting out.

    I think that JR may have had knowledge of torture methods from his Army days, and shutting people away in the dark is a primary tool to disorientate and punish.

    I think the Maglite was used by PR to escort JB downstairs, and when she began to kick, scream and cry, PR hit her with it.

    I don't think they intended her to die, just to behave herself and submit to whatever abuses they wished to perpetrate on her that night.

    I think they dragged her to the basement to get her screams away from Burke, who may have been already asleep.

    To quote Cyril Wecht, "this is a game that had been played before".



    :cow:
     
  15. otg

    otg Reports of my death are greatly exagerated... but

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    While I tend to disagree on that particular part of what happened, I haven't been able to completely eliminate the possibility. So for now (and B knows this), I still leave open the possibility of the velocity vs pressure issue. Hopefully soon, I'll be able to get back to that facet of this.
    :fence: (for now)
     
  16. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    Do the BDI's also think he went so far as to wrap JB, attempt to garrotte her, tie her hands, wipe down the Maglite etc?

    All at age 9?
     
  17. BOESP

    BOESP Active Member

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    If you don't push, shove, toss, or fling me at the same time then I have no doubt I've received a high velocity/low pressure clobbering. Here's the official definition: "clob·bered, clob·ber·ing, clob·bers Slang. 1. To strike violently and repeatedly; batter or maul." :floorlaugh:

    While I have your attention :blushing: ...

    Do you have any thoughts about the hand-held exercise weight found in JonBenet's bedroom (on the floor iirc)?
     
  18. Venom

    Venom New Member

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    What do you mean by torch? :blushing:
     
  19. otg

    otg Reports of my death are greatly exagerated... but

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    No. BDI theories vary, but I don't think anyone thinks this was all done by any one person (except maybe DocG).
     
  20. otg

    otg Reports of my death are greatly exagerated... but

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    Oh, B, you know you always have my attention. I will certainly include it in my experiments when I get back to them. (I just happen to have a few lying around from my younger days.)

    ETA: If the definition of "clobber" includes the word "repeatedly", JonBenet was not clobbered.
     
  21. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    Ooops sorry.

    you guys call them flashlights.
     

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