Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #1

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Actually, Max was a special needs child. Speculation is he had Asperger's, a form of Autism. Dina co-authored a book on the subject.

The article I was referring to in saying he didn't appear to have any connection to special needs, other than a friends son with autism. The one that lists the charitable organizations he is involved with included the one he asked donations be sent to.

Was written before Max was even conceived. It had nothing to do with Max because there was no Max.

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/000128/giving.shtml


Dina's work with ASD is as a professional. She was writing the article about ASD when Max was 1-2 years old. I remember when it was written, I have it.

If there is a book or published article on Asperger's I have it or I've read it.

This also would not be directly connected to Max since he was so young when it was written.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/efficacy-treatment-children-Asperger-Syndrome/dp/B000LKANZQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311268350&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: The efficacy of social skills treatment for children with Asperger Syndrome.: An article from: Education & Treatment of Children: Lisa M. Elder, Linda C. Caterino, Janet Chao, Dina Shacknai, Gina De Simone: Books[/ame]



She is listed as having a special interest in ADHD related issues. If there was going to be any speculation, I would think it would lean towards what her interests were after Max was old enough to show some sort of symptoms, not before.

Dina is a professional, so she might notice signs sooner... but she would also know the terrible two's is not a time to decide that your child has poor social skills or hyperactivity.

http://www.melmedcenter.com/drshacknai



Someone posted up-thread that a children's ICU only allows visitors who are immediate family.

I'm assuming this would excluded RN from even being allowed at MS's bedside.

Could someone confirm? TIA

I do not know about this hospital specifically. Generally that is the rules of any ICU. Immediate family only.

Now most places you can claim to be a sister and they aren't going to check your ID. Obviously that might have been harder to pull off with Rebecca.

However, once a patient is just being kept alive for organ harvesting they will generally bend the rules. They will generally let a few other family members in to say goodbye if the patient is going to die shortly.

I think if Rebecca had been alive, had wanted to see Max and both parents had been okay with it... she might have been allowed to see him before they turned off life support.

However if they were being told he couldn't hear them, had no brain activity... maybe Rebecca didn't want to see him like that since he wouldn't know she was there.
 
Yes - reports were that GS flew to SC on Monday, day of MS' accident. [linked many times in this thread]


Perhaps the first wife's (mother of GS) second home, family home, new husbands' family's home???

Who knows - so many players - so much drama!

Oh, thank you. I thought I was going crazy.

Yes, maybe the assumption was just that SC was the parents home or primary residence.


Plus, it's just bothersome that now articles have been changed to say this girl was not a relative or is Rebecca's sister or whatever else she apparently wasn't.

Why can't the police just verify the age of the girl and that she is related to Jonah!
 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/

Shacknai and his company have been the target of several lawsuits over finances, including a class-action lawsuit filed by investors who claim that Medicis inflated stock prices between 2003 and 2008, according to federal court records. The case is making its way through court in Arizona.

Medicis shares closed at $39.05 Friday, up from $38.56 the day before.

$38.35 is stock price right now.

This is a very interesting article on some background. It was written July 16 before the announcement that Maxie had passed.
 
She is listed as having a special interest in ADHD related issues. If there was going to be any speculation, I would think it would lean towards what her interests were after Max was old enough to show some sort of symptoms, not before.

Dina is a professional, so she might notice signs sooner... but she would also know the terrible two's is not a time to decide that your child has poor social skills or hyperactivity.

http://www.melmedcenter.com/drshacknai

Did you see or respond to the post about ADHD medication can cause cardiac arrest? Any opinion on that?
 
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Plus, it's just bothersome that now articles have been changed to say this girl was not a relative or is Rebecca's sister or whatever else she apparently wasn't.

Why can't the police just verify the age of the girl and that she is related to Jonah!

I think the confusion came about when it was reported that Rebecca called the children her children - snowballed from there.

Also, she's a minor child - to be protected - rightfully so.
 
His brother, Jonah, was at Max's side in hospital when Miss Nalepa died.

Mr Shacknai has now left California and returned to Arizona
, where his $700m-a-year cosmetic drug firm is based, while police continue to search the historic Spreckels mansion.

A source told Radar that Mr Shacknai has been interviewed 'extensively and exhaustively by law enforcement, about Max's death, and Rebecca's.

'Jonah has been extremely cooperative with authorities.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...au-distraught-day-died.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

MsFacetious ... thanks for the corrections. I'm not sure where I got the 2008 date.

It may be a wording thing, but someone posted a link that Dina lived in the same house/compound for a while. Perhaps the reporter confused that with living down the block or something.

I'm not sure where I got SC? Maybe someone gave that as an abbreviation and I was confused. Where was it first reported that the girl at the house when Max fell was sent?

I'm pretty sure the 2008 divorce date came because that's when the initial police reports were.
For all practical purposes their marriage was over then anyway.

I'm pretty sure that Rebecca's divorce being in May came from her name change being in May.

With that kind of money, I see no reason Dina would live in the same house. When you are living so close, transitioning Max would be about the same anyway. I think that was incorrect information.

We have been told that the daughter from the first marriage went to South Carolina.
We believe that her father is protecting her from the media.
With that thought in mind... it took me all of 30 seconds to find her mother in Arizona.
South Carolina?? I have NO clue who to even look for.
 
Yep!

How's this:

Kid from wife #1 is present when kid from wife #2 suffers fatal accident while also in the presence of potential wife #3.

Reported acrimonious divorces with wife #1 and #2 and reported affair with potential wife #3 while still married to wife #2.

Potential wife #3 found hanging by neck - murder? suicide?

Messy!

You forgot ...

Kid from wife #1 is now said to be relative of potential wife#3 but not a relative of only ex and potential husband not home during fatal accident of kid from wife #2 or hanging of potential wife #3
 
You forgot ...

Kid from wife #1 is now said to be relative of potential wife#3 but not a relative of only ex and potential husband not home during fatal accident of kid from wife #2 or hanging of potential wife #3

:floorlaugh:

Just trying to stick to the bare-bones facts - as much as that is possible in this mess.
 
Another nosey question I have conjured up.
Child support-Alimony.
Betting it's huge.
IMO
 
We should ask Baez if he has any flipchart paper left over .... :floorlaugh:

Had to drag him over to this thread, didn't you......

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Perhaps FCA could live with JS......

wonder how ole' Jose would spin this one???:waitasec:
 
We have been told that the daughter from the first marriage went to South Carolina.
We believe that her father is protecting her from the media.
With that thought in mind... it took me all of 30 seconds to find her mother in Arizona.
South Carolina?? I have NO clue who to even look for.

There is a Kimberly and Ian James connected to both Paradise Valley, AZ and
Sunset, SC. I think that's who we are looking for.
 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/

Shacknai and his company have been the target of several lawsuits over finances, including a class-action lawsuit filed by investors who claim that Medicis inflated stock prices between 2003 and 2008, according to federal court records. The case is making its way through court in Arizona.

Medicis shares closed at $39.05 Friday, up from $38.56 the day before.

$38.35 is stock price right now.

This is a very interesting article on some background. It was written July 16 before the announcement that Maxie had passed.
I watch Larry Kudlow every weekday on CNBC. The first I knew of this case
was Wednesday watching a news update about the CEO of Medicis had tragedy
strike twice,first his son then to his girlfriend. There was a lot of concern from the stockholders that Medicis profits could take a pulnge after the negative news surrounding JS. He is considered the visionary of the company.

That story is what intrigued me ...so I logged on to WebSleuths and read the
thread. This website is a fountain of knowledge. It just amazes me the well documented and thoughtful posts I read. This story has everything it is as fasinating as reading an Ann Rule book.
 
His brother, Jonah, was at Max's side in hospital when Miss Nalepa died.

Mr Shacknai has now left California and returned to Arizona
, where his $700m-a-year cosmetic drug firm is based, while police continue to search the historic Spreckels mansion.

A source told Radar that Mr Shacknai has been interviewed 'extensively and exhaustively by law enforcement, about Max's death, and Rebecca's.

'Jonah has been extremely cooperative with authorities.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...au-distraught-day-died.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



I'm pretty sure the 2008 divorce date came because that's when the initial police reports were.
For all practical purposes their marriage was over then anyway.

I'm pretty sure that Rebecca's divorce being in May came from her name change being in May.

With that kind of money, I see no reason Dina would live in the same house. When you are living so close, transitioning Max would be about the same anyway. I think that was incorrect information.

We have been told that the daughter from the first marriage went to South Carolina.
We believe that her father is protecting her from the media.
With that thought in mind... it took me all of 30 seconds to find her mother in Arizona.
South Carolina?? I have NO clue who to even look for.

South Carolina = Sunset, SC. best guess another summer or second home. Summertime, kids out of school, bouncing between parents at their summer homes and/or AZ, where all of them seem to be based.

Could be that also her mother wanted her protected from the media. Other side of the country will help. G's mother is also doing her level best to stay out of this mess and media firestorm, and I certainly can't blame her for that.

ETA: beaten to the Sunset deal. Apologies for overpost.
 
http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/21/20110721shacknai-son-death-clarification.html


Coronado, Calif., police on Wednesday sought to clarify what their officers knew about the incident in which Max Shacknai, son of Paradise Valley pharmaceutical mogul Jonah Shacknai, was injured


Max was found by police and paramedics on the ground near the foot of the staircase," police spokeswoman Lea Corbin said in an e-mail. "The 911 call came in as a child who had fallen."

this is supposed to be new information
 
Did you see or respond to the post about ADHD medication can cause cardiac arrest? Any opinion on that?

I have strong opinions on medication in children in general. :innocent:

However, I have heard nothing to indicate that Max was anything besides a regular 6 year old boy. Just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean that there isn't anything.

I just know if this was my daughter you would have people saying "Dude, she probably jumped off the railing to try and jump onto the chandelier. I mean, she's jumped out windows, she has no fear of anything..."



The information on ADHD meds and Cardiac issues is not new.
Though they now recommend screening before starting the meds. At least those kids will get screened.

http://www.drugs.com/news/cardiac-screening-recommended-kids-stimulants-adhd-11862.html


There are also heart defects
that are NOT checked for at birth with a $50 EKG and IMO should be.
These would be statistically more likely than ADHD medication to have caused cardiac arrest.

Unfortunately some can't generally be detected after death except through the gene and that is far from a standard autopsy test.

http://www.qtsyndrome.ch/faq.html


Some may remember Wes Leonard... who died on the court right after making the winning shot?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartDisease/high-school-basketball-star-dies-court/story?id=13055595


Exams could save lives:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/david_epstein/03/08/enlarged.hearts/index.html


5 year old Teague was playing with his mother when she came around a corner and surprised him. Startling someone with Long QT can be fatal... they did not know Teague had Long QT and he died from simply being startled by his Mom playing with him.

Page 3 of this 4 page PDF

http://www.longqt.org/images/Care Newsletter 2005.pdf


1 out of every 143 children has a cardiac arrhythmia syndrome.

20 children between the ages of 6 & 25 will die today from sudden cardiac arrest caused by a cardiac arrhythmia syndrome.

Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (HCM) is more common in the United States than childhood leukemia, cystic fibrosis, Parkinson’s, Multiple Sclerosis, and ALS combined.

Once diagnosed, these syndromes are treatable, and individuals with these conditions can have normal life spans and lifestyles.

http://www.thecasfoundation.org/cardiac-arrhythmia-syndromes/facts-about-cas.html
 
I was just thinking about what someone said upthread that Dina would no longer have any ties.
IMO

I wonder if she also received alimony and child support. The divorce papers are sealed.

Normally, alimony and child support ends once the child graduates high school/college or death........but it's hard to say what this divorce decree says........
 
It is kind of a clarification... The way this version is worded gives the impression that maybe nobody saw it happen. Maybe they heard a thump or heard him yell as he started to fall... then came in to find him there... and all they knew is "he fell" because he was at the bottom of the stairs?

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/21/20110721shacknai-son-death-clarification.html


Coronado, Calif., police on Wednesday sought to clarify what their officers knew about the incident in which Max Shacknai, son of Paradise Valley pharmaceutical mogul Jonah Shacknai, was injured


Max was found by police and paramedics on the ground near the foot of the staircase," police spokeswoman Lea Corbin said in an e-mail. "The 911 call came in as a child who had fallen."

this is supposed to be new information
 
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