Recording of Micheal Jacksons completely impaired state.

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  1. Soulmagent

    Soulmagent Well-Known Member

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    Yesterday during the opening statement of the Conrad Murray trial ,prosecutors played a disturbing recording of Micheal Jackson from
    May10th 2009. Murray recorded this with his Iphone.

    SteelyDan posted this link to the court archives in another thread.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/?/collection/MICHAEL_JACKSON_DEATH_TRIAL&hpt=hp_t2

    Here is one of many articles on the subject.

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/legal-and-management/michael-jackson-s-voice-played-at-conrad-1005373352.story
     


  2. Soulmagent

    Soulmagent Well-Known Member

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    Is propofol that addicting that one would need to ween themselfs off of it? If use is stopped cold turkey are there effects that would cause the body to respond.

    I have been thinking over why Conrad Murray made this recording on May 10th and then turned arround and ordered more on May 12.

    He says he was trying to help Micheal Jackson. Was the recording made to let Micheal hear how he sound when he was on Propofol? Was it made to blackmail MJ and his producers after learning about the insurance for the show?

    I wondered why a doctor would try to assist remove Micheal from an addiction so close to this huge tour ,if his body would react in a stressful way then Conrad Murray had placed himself in a no win position as had Micheal with the propofol and the doctor allegded weaning during this time makes no sence.

    I question why there was not a metered IV machine ,verses a drip pole and the amature set up of it all. Was Micheal having an amature set him up before doctor Murry? Even a bad doctor would want better devices then what was shown to have been used. There wouldnt have been any problem for the doctor to have gotten that stuff so was he trying to make it impossible in a doctors mind to give him propofol and caved to Micheal demand as a last resort? Or was he just being cheap and completely wreckles and didnt care? He had to know something was going to happen.

    What made him record Micheal that way?
     
  3. daisy7

    daisy7 Retired WS Staff

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    Respectfully, BBM. I listened to the recording yesterday and that was was my first question. Why would he record it???
     
  4. HatesSociopaths

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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol

    I think MJ wanted CM to record his voicing of goals about the tour during his euphoria as he felt a keen sense of enlightenment on the drug, but later could not remember his thoughts.

    It was because he wanted the tour to be the greatest ever, IMO. He knew that on the drug he was seeing things from a higher plane, but could not remember any of it. Propofil slang for it is "milk of amnesia."

    MOO.
     
  5. Soulmagent

    Soulmagent Well-Known Member

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    I think of all the things I had thought about never did this enter my head. I think you might be right but I would expect there to be more recordings and ones other people had made.
     
  6. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    Never heard a voice like that before. Sounded almost post-mortem.
     
  7. HatesSociopaths

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    The duration of the high is very short, reportedly. Something like an hour. It might be a very interesting google search to look into what recreational users of the drug have said about it. I'll see what I can find. Anyway, it is likely no one else was around him during this euphoria other than CM. And the other recordings were likely deleted, but this one was a statement of goals that may have been one MJ wanted kept around. MOO.
     
  8. HatesSociopaths

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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21809257
     
  9. Melanie

    Melanie Inactive

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    I guess this drug is used by many - I had no idea!

    And while many hadn't heard of the drug until after Jackson died, "Anesthesiology News" reported in 2007 that abuse of propofol increased fivefold. Because it's so short-acting, addicts -- typically medical professionals -- may inject themselves dozens of times a day.

    Scary!

    Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=8180902&page=2
     
  10. HatesSociopaths

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124951605785809351.html
     
  11. LyndyLoo

    LyndyLoo Active Member

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    ya know I truly hate to burst all your bubbles here..but Profolol is NOT a recreation drug..and if you watch this video showing how it works..you may understand why..ANYONE who uses this drug without proper setting will die..yikes..CANNOT believe some equate this drug with cocaine/barbs/beno's..This drug is meant ONLY for PROFESSION use..and Conrad Murray was conducting a mission of impossible..due to LACK of knowledge, concern and $$$ in his eyes..

    So please get Diprivan/Propofol out your heads as a toy drug..NOpE..Its lethal in the wrong hands!1 Guess I cant say it more clearly..
    here's video`~

    How does a Propofol injection work? Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Dr. Raphael Gershon on CNN

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJsh0DWSy8"]How does a Propofol injection work? Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Dr. Raphael Gershon on CNN - YouTube[/ame]
     
  12. Isabelle

    Isabelle Verified registered nurse

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    I think Dr. Murray made that recording of MJ while he was under the influence of whatever drug Dr. Murray gave him, and I think he did it without MJ's knowledge. Maybe he wanted a little blackmail as insurance on the job! If I'm not mistaken, I think the doc violated HIPAA, esp if there is no signed consent from MJ for the recording.
     
  13. panthera

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    Unfortunately we may never know if MJ consented or not; or what the true reason was for Murray to make the recording. I wouldn't imagine, however, that MJ wanted the world to hear him speaking incoherently under the influence of anything.

    MOO
     
  14. oceanblueeyes

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    Imo, MJ would never consent to this. Never.

    I agree with Tom Messareau. He thinks Murray was the one that made MJ in this impaired state and then recorded him speaking without MJs knowledge. He believes he did it for the same reasons so many others have done that have betrayed MJ for their own personal financial gain.

    Like Mes said if MJ fired him this would be another way he could make big money selling it to the tabloids. Mes also thinks Murray taped him at other times too and they just haven't found those recordings.

    It did make me think of when Murray called his Texas office that morning and his workers were seen taking boxes out of his warehouse.

    MJ could not have given legal consent anyway because he was in an impaired state of mind.

    IMO
     
  15. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    He violated California law.

    If one is going to be recorded it first must be on the recording that they are giving their consent.

    He had no attentions of asking MJs permission.

    This man is far from what he likes to appear to be.

    IMO
     
  16. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how it could be a recreational drug since it does not make someone high and they aren't even aware of their surroundings when they are under propofol anesthesia. They are more like in an induced coma state but unless the surgery is long it is very short acting drug and leaves very little side affects upon waking.

    The anesthesiologists I have seen discuss this over the past two years say it is not a physically additive drug like a narcotic/cocaine/meth etc. If one is sleep deprived like some doctors or nurses they have been known to use propofol for very short power 'naps' since they work long hours a lot of time with little rest.

    It may be psychologically addictive if one suffers from insomnia or uses it as a short power 'nap' like some doctors and nurses have been known to do.

    But the body does not go into withdrawals if propofol is not given. Propofol dissipates very quickly.

    Propofol is used hundreds..perhaps thousands of times a day across hospitals and clinics in our country. It is a very safe drug BUT it must always be used with extreme care and caution.

    The instructions that come with each bottle clearly states that the patient MUST BE monitored at all times and life saving measures and monitoring equipment must always be in place. AND if something goes wrong with the patient it is recommended that help is summoned immediately.

    All those things Murray failed to do. Never mind the talking/texting/emailing for 47 minutes and totally abandoning the patient at the most critical time.

    IMO
     
  17. Isabelle

    Isabelle Verified registered nurse

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    Surely the Board of Medicine has taken note of this. Bet they watch this case play by play.
     
  18. Soulmagent

    Soulmagent Well-Known Member

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    I have heard people mention the "high" from the drug occurs after one awakens. I however have heard gossip and have no personal research time in it myself.
     
  19. Melly53

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    I hate to burst people's bubble but there is no "high" that I have ever felt from this drug. You do not even remain "groggy" upon waking after about one minute sometimes less. I asked a friend of mine about it and she said she experienced the same. We both go to different Pain Clinics (associated with hospitals) to receive injections in facet joints of the spine. We are always monitered with all the proper equipment and are never left alone for even a minute.

    I cannot figure out why Murray would have made a recording of this type unless it was "insurance" for the future and a way to make money.
     
  20. AuburnSchnauzer

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    The voice we all heard was not Profo - Profo knocks your a$$ out immediately (for about 4 minutes as I understand it). I think the voice here is a drugged MJ on some sort of relaxant because MJ could not sleep. He was in dire need of money when he signed the contract with this company to do this tour and could not handle it physically or mentally and he knew it. He was about to lose everything he owned, and the company knew it would take a high paid doctor to provide the drugs needed to get him thru it which it didn't. Sad indeed and by Janet Jackson claiming that she "tried to get him help for his drug addiction" is a dam joke. I expect the Defense will bring a lot out that hasn't been appreciated yet.

    I am from Santa Barbara County and remember "Sycamore Valley Ranch" in Reagan Country before this little creep turned it into a dam mess.....
     

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