Related Issues and Food for Thought

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  1. SnooperDuper

    SnooperDuper Well-Known Member

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    Well, incidentally, it is exactly 1/2 a year to DM's trial for the murder of TB today. 4-5 months after that, they will throw away the key to his jail cell.
     
  2. swedie

    swedie Well-Known Member

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    BBM - How is this a fact? DM might have been charged and we just haven't heard about it yet.
    UBM - Don't hold your breathe in this case.

    So here we are more than two years after TB's murder, the investigation has been completed or very near completion (in order for the AG to make her ruling), DM and MS are still sitting in jail, no bail, awaiting trial because the evidence LE have against them is very overwhelming. There is no mistaking who the real murderers are.

    I wish to applaud the three police departments and all the special task force teams for doing such a fantastic job investigating from the very beginning of TB's disappearance. From collecting the extensive amount of evidence against DM, to tracking down TB's murderers in a timely manner, to turning over every stone to make certain no stone was left unturned, for making certain the proper search warrants were obtained, that numerous tips were followed up on, etc., all in the name of justice. I would also like to applaud DM for leaving the nicely laid out trail of evidence in his wake which allowed LE to solve TB's case faster and easier then many cases. Thanks to LE, there are also two more murder cases solved; WM's and LB's. But once again, thanks to DM for carelessly providing the evidence in order for LE to find and track the murderer(s). MOO.
     
  3. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    I didn't even touch on the fact that DM's girlfriend has also been charged as an accessory after the fact in helping him to avoid arrest in some way. Just another fact pointing to DM and another trial we'll have to wait for.

    MOO
     
  4. swedie

    swedie Well-Known Member

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    What troubled me for the longest time is what we heard in the MSM about LB's death and how her parents were given no information by LE other then to say LB was deceased. No word as to whether her body had been recovered, ashes found, belongings of hers found, nadda nothing. LB's mom was in denial at the time and had hope LB would come home to her. Her uncle Ryan also had some denial issues going on as well.

    I have often wondered if LB's family or SL have pushed LE for answers as to what happened to Laura. I would hope by, after two years of LE knowing LB is deceased, LE were able to give them something definite to go on. If not LB's loved ones could perhaps still be living in denial with unrealistic hopes and when the truth does come out in court, it could have devastating effects of them. Denial is not always a healthy thing. It can really cause a lot of emotional and physical damage to someone's well being. MOO.

    Denial: When it helps, when it hurts
    denial might prevent you or your loved one from getting help, such as treatment or counseling, or dealing with problems that can spiral out of control — all with potentially devastating long-term consequences.


    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926?pg=2
     
  5. sillybilly

    sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    I just remembered the recent case of serial killer, Cody Legebokoff, convicted of 4 murders, one of whom was Natasha Montgomery whose body was never found.
     
  6. swedie

    swedie Well-Known Member

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    Then there is the fairly recent case of JP who eventually pled guilty. IMO I don't think her body ended up where LE believed it did. I believe he got rid of her somewhere else where she will never be found so that LE couldn't get him on first or second. Manslaughter is a shorter sentence. Here's hoping JP is in GP and someone takes care of this *******. JMHO.

    “It would be uncommon for the police to lay a first-degree murder charge where they didn’t think there was good evidence to justify it,” he said. “But reasonable and probable grounds a crime has been committed” — the standard for laying charges — “is a different standard than what needs to be met in court.”

    Kitchener’s James Parise, who was initially charged with second-degree murder, plead guilty in February to manslaughter in the beating death of Catherine Todd. It’s believed her body was dumped at a landfill site in Waterloo. A 50-day search turned up nothing.
    Without a body, prosecutors could not demonstrate the extent of Todd’s injuries and couldn’t prove a murder charge in the absence of other evidence, Brown said.
    A murder charge could be downgraded at trial if no body is discovered, he said.


    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201..._it_be_firstdegree_murder_without_a_body.html
     
  7. swedie

    swedie Well-Known Member

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    Kevin Bryan, a retired detective who worked with the York Regional Police forensic unit for 16 years, believes the family would be told if her body had been found, but said police would have other evidence of her death.
    “Now they’ve laid a murder charge which means they do have some evidence that she’s dead. . . . What that is, I don’t know and they’re not going to tell us that either,” said Bryan.
    “They don’t go out and lay the charge in a situation like this without extensive consultation with the prosecutions office.”
    Criminal Attorney Daniel Brown suggested police may be keeping information secret to assist in their investigation and prosecution.
    “It could be an important part of the investigation or they want to ensure they haven’t tainted any witnesses, or perhaps they have a statement from an accused,” said Brown.


    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...a_babcocks_body_not_recovered_in_ontario.html
     
  8. swedie

    swedie Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of CN, this is another very intriguing write up IMO. Hmm a "good deal" of boxes and bags... What could those "good deal" of boxes and bags possibly contain? Certainly LE wouldn't have helped her pack any clothing, as she would have been issued those special institution threads. Would DM be so stupid as to give CN evidence to hold onto? Would she have been stupid enough to keep or take evidence? And of all places, in her parent's house? I could see LE taking her computer/laptop/notepad, a cell phone, some clothing maybe, maybe shoes/boots...but what would constitute a "good deal" of boxes and bags. Sounds like LE gathered quite a bit of possible evidence from the Nougda's house. MOO.

    Hope she's taking full advantage of her restricted freedom because it may not be much longer before she finds herself in prison for many years. Wonder where she will spend her time if sentenced? Kitchener possibly with TLM...ouch. She will be one lucky blessed ducky if she's found not guilty or given a reduced, light, sentence for her participation in assisting DM. Personally I think regardless, she should be used as an example for other women who consider assisting their guys or anyone else trying to escape justice, especially in serious cases such as murder. JMHO.

    CN made a statement to LE but as to whether she cooperated or not is another story. I suspect even if she did cooperate and her involvement was serious enough, LE would still arrest her. Oh and of course because this case hasn't been tried in court yey, LE and MSM have to cover their hineys, always having to use that special word "allege". MOO.

    Millard’s girlfriend, Christina Noudga, 21, has been charged as an accessory to murder after the fact. Noudga is accused of helping him “escape” after Bosma’s murder, police said.

    Police allege Noudga knew Millard had killed Bosma and assisted in his “escape” last May 9, three days after Bosma disappeared, said Crown Attorney Tony Leitch.

    Leitch said Noudga made a statement to police after she was arrested Thursday, but could not say whether she is being co-operative. “We don’t usually arrest co-operating witnesses,” Leitch said.

    At Noudga’s family home in Etobicoke Thursday, neighbour Mark Majchrowski said he saw officers removing a “good deal” of boxes and bags.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...e_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html
     
  9. swedie

    swedie Well-Known Member

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    Just a couple more Canadian cases where murder charges were laid without bodies being found first. HTH. I'm certain there are many more. MOO.

    June 8, 2009 Family says goodbye at memorial for Tori Stafford
    Two Woodstock residents - a man, 28, and a woman, 18 - are charged with kidnapping and first-degree murder in the disappearance of the girl, whose body has not been found.

    http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2009/06/08/family-says-goodbye-at-memorial-for-tori-stafford-15

    March 10, 2014Charges laid in 2008 Agassisz Murder Chilliwack resident Michael Scullion was out for drinks with friends when he vanished in April 2008. Police believed he met foul play even though his body was never found.

    http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/03/10/charges-laid-in-2008-agassiz-murder/

    April 6, 2015 Murder charges laid in disappearance of Calgary father Nicholas Lush

    http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime...rder-in-death-of-nicholas-lush-body-not-found
     
  10. matou

    matou #los2188

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    What about the original assignment? How many charges of murder (1st degree or other) were dropped because the "victim" turned up alive?

    Thanks to all who posted evidence of first degree murder charges in the absence of a body: you get A+
     
  11. Tamarind

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    Hi sillybilly, I was just wondering if this post should have gone to the food for thought thread to tie in with the other Cody L posts.?
     
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