SC - 5 dead, inc. Dr Robert Lesslie & 2 children in shooting, Rock Hill, Apr 2021

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  1. zencompass

    zencompass Hope springs eternal

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    Dear @stmarysmead,

    It was so deeply saddening to hear that Mr. Robert Shook lost his life as well.

    It was heroic of Mr. Shook to use whatever strength he had left to call 911. If the family hadn't already been executed, then this phone call may have saved their lives.

    I'm sure that was Mr. Shook's hope and reason why he called 911. He's a hero.

    All of these precious lives torn from their loved ones. All of them had a future in front of them before this happened.

    My heart is with the loved ones who will never be able to understand why this happened - because it's unfathomable. May they be surrounded with comfort and love.

    May these beautiful souls Rest in Peace.
     
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  2. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    The sad news that Mr. Shook has also died compounds this already mind boggling senseless tragedy.

    May his soul rest in gentle peace along with the rest of the innocent victims.

    Jmho
     
  3. Kittybunny

    Kittybunny Well-Known Member

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    I don't really see the conflict in the info - the article speaks of plans...but nothing concrete. It all reads to me as the vague talk and grandiosity of someone who is lost and spiraling downward, avoiding friends and family out of shame or because they are doing things they know would not be approved of - whether that is because of mental illness, addiction, or both. There is no doubt that he went there with intent to kill.

    As far as your last sentence, BBM, it is really strange isn't it but I get it. The same thing happened with the shooter at the Asian massage parlors. And the King Sooper guy. And while I think it can seem as searching for excuses, I think it's just human nature to seek an explanation or answers as to why senseless and tragic acts like this happen. Some people don't care, but many just want to understand the why. Perhaps it helps make it feel less evil and random. I don't know.
     
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  4. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    It will take several months for the CTE results which can only be diagnosed in an autopsy.
    Brain of mass shooter and former NFL player Phillip Adams to be tested for CTE - Rolling Out

    *loss of identity, addiction, financial problems, loneliness - A very dangerous mix. I wonder if he was also taking testosterone. A common finding of facts for disciplinary actions for doctors was the overprescribing of opioids combined with the steroids. Many physicians were sanctioned with the root of the problem being a strong sense of loss leading to the addiction of both drugs mentioned. Addiction is a cycle of chasing the high and dropping to the devil. If he was in withdrawal, it probably felt like he was gonna die. *Sometimes, I just wanna know how in the world one can hold so much pain and hate in their brain. How does it all fit? Then we have this lovely family full of joy and faith. Gone. Forever. RIP dear ones.
     
  5. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    Cruel senseless crime such as this is hard....
    When it happens in your state/county....
    Then it happens in your town/city....

    And then it happens perhaps not many miles from home.....you shockingly become aware that it’s people you have met, done business with, family members were clients/patients, served on committees, went to your children’s school/daycare, saw them in the church pew just a week ago....

    :(
     
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  6. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    Life After Pro Football?
    Adams focused on football in high school, & in college 2006 -2009; dropped out, turned pro in 2010, played thru 2015. Adams played w six teams in six seasons, approx'ly 22 - 27 y/o.
    If he moved around, changing homes w ea team move, seems that in itself could have cranked up his stress levels during those years. Could have wreaked havoc w romantic, family, & other personal relationships too. In 2016, ~ 27 y/o, the highest earning years of his life were likely over, if he had no plausible
    Exit Plan for making a living. As I mentioned a few posts upthread, that & other info suggest possible dire financial straits.

    Per linked article* "Adams was forced to make the transition out of pro football and the career that had forged his identity." bbm

    After playing pro football, what is a logical Next Act, besides coaching high school, college, or pro level? Some 'aged-out' pro sporters buy & operate a franchise business
    (fast food, gym/fitness centers, restaurant, convenience store, etc), but if they haven't managed to preserve some capital from their career earnings, how? W loans? Initial cost to open a smoothie franchise ranges from ~ $ 250,000 to 800,000.* And being a smoothie franchisee (or similar/equivalent) lacks the pro sports prestige a player becomes accustomed to.

    Trying to think of other careers, w a similar age & earnings trajectory, in which 18-20 y/o may start earning a huge amt of $, but w a career expectancy of only 5 or 10 yrs. Modelling? Or ___? For someone focused on sports/pro sports from ~ age 12, being out of that world at age 28, w very limited earnings prospects
    (in comparison), would be a huuuge letdown.

    Not saying his actions are somehow justified or excused. Just thinking about his (possible) expectations in life.

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    * Ex-49er Phillip Adams' family, friends seek answers in murder-suicide Thanks, @scdiv :)
    ** The Top 20 Franchises of 2020 From the Entrepreneur Franchise 500.
     
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  7. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    I would agree. I just cant see where the source of the rage could be though:

    - Personal / fence line type dispute? The victim lived half a mile away. As a result, unless the victim had a descent amount of rural property, they would not have been immediate neighbors.

    - Rage at the relatively wealthy? As an ER doctor, the victim was high income and probably had a life style reflecting that. At the same time, he was personally modest, did not own a chain of clinics and was not say, plastic surgeon to the stars. As a result, I doubt he had NFL star type bling in cars, estate home, boats that would immediately remind Adams of the "life he should of had".

    - Rage from social contact? The did not appear to be in the same friend social circles. Likewise, it does not appear that the had semi professional contact. In my town, a local businessman gave back by sponsoring youth athletic leagues and arranged for a former NFL player to give motivational speeches- and alot of high fives. Though the victim gave back alot (hospices), I don't think this would have included Adams.

    - Rage at a well lived life? Possible, but with no apparent social contact, the perpetrator would not have first hand knowledge of the doctor and his life. This would seem to reduce the chances of this motive.

    In the end, there does not seem to be a single blatant rage possibility. Another member mentioned the possibility of a "perfect storm" of compounding animosities and jealousies.
     
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  8. Satchie

    Satchie Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it's the case that this (or any of many similar cases) are people who feel rage towards someone , decide to express it, and then commit suicide.

    IMO it's more likely that the person feels suicidal because they can't stand living with themselves, looks for some action to say 'take that, cruel world' before they die, and then looks for a victim/scapegoat.
     
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  9. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    Well said.

    As you state, in some, or many cases, the rampage is not about personal animosity towards the victims. Rather, it is, well, their way of giving the middle finger to the entire world due to rage at what the perpetrator lacks in his life.

    Sadly, I think you could well be right regarding this as the true motivation.
     
  10. BeachSky

    BeachSky Well-Known Member

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    TY, interesting.
    I thought possibly he was trying to get disability or some kind of medical financial relief thru a confirmed medical diagnosis from Dr L.
    I read the 4 were found deceased in a bedroom together. Kitchen or living room would seem normal but all in a bedroom
    causes me to wonder if there was a dialogue of purpose (pre shooting ) .
    Which is horrible,sickening in its self.
    I’m hoping the evidence was some medical paperwork connecting them.
    Just sad sad sad.


    MOO
     
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  11. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    Adams, from 2015 to 2021? Where, What?
    @Kittybunny sbm Yes, exactly.
    For the past 5 years -
    Was Adams enrolled to finish his college edu, started 2006-09?*
    Where did he live?*
    Was he employed at all?*
    What was he doing?*

    I cannot imagine the grief of the shooting victims' families for their loss suffered at the hands of Phillip Adams.
    ______________________________________
    * No mention I've read re * but could have missed it.
    Casterline (sp?, his former agent?) said a couple years after his Atlanta 2015 season, Adams was scheduled to try-out (terminology?) for a pro team (KC?), but missed the flight (or similar dodgy reason). Gave me the impression Adams was not motivated or was otherwise distracted (drugs/addiction, mental illness?).
    A family member (sister iirc) said Adams was just not himself the past few years.
    Purportedly said wanted to be in SC for his son.
     
  12. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    I dont think this would be the case:

    - It seems the victims was primarily an ER physician. As such, he would provide initial stabilizing treatment, but would not be involved in assesments for disability benefits etc. Rather, the next doctor in the chain from the ER could be.

    - Lawyers involved in disability- and in other cases, "disability" benefits applications tend to work with certain doctors known to make favorable assessments. The more favorable assesments they make, the more referrals they get. So.... it becomes a "circle of love" and doctors then refer their clients to the pre selected doctors exclusively.

    In the end, if the victim was not in this "love circle", I dont think he would have been approached by Adams with such a request as the attorney does not want any surprises on the assesment.
     
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  13. Kiranerys

    Kiranerys #LiveLikeLizzy

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    This is so beautiful. I am a sobbing mess and so so sad that it is necessary.
     
  14. Reasonable & Just

    Reasonable & Just United We Stand

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    This makes me feel incredibly empty inside. Every single time. And we all hang out on Websleuths - it's not like we're newbies. But I never get used to it.
     
  15. zencompass

    zencompass Hope springs eternal

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    Your words speak for me as well as likely everyone here.
     
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    My guess is that he wanted to eliminate witnesses.
     
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    :(:(:(:(:(:(
     
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    cujenn81 Well-Known Member

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    Y’all!
    Everything I read about this family just makes me cry. Every. Single. Time.

    The outpouring of kindness and the shared memories that are filled with happiness and love from so many speaks volumes about the kind of people they were — and the rock solid faith (of their entire family!) is maybe the most inspiring thing I’ve ever seen.

    Piece of crap human beings always seem to take the lives of those least deserving. :(
     

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